Mitchell and Dawn Siegel DNA Connections

I did not know WHO ARE 29 BLOOM LIVING MEN.

Where do you see that Mary Barnett was born in 1883? On her ship manifest in 1906, she was 14, which would give a birth year of 1892. On her marriage record, her birth year is estimated as 1897. So if we assume that 1892 is closer to correct, she would have been 13 in 1905, which is technically old enough to have a child.

Mary Barnett came to the US in 1906. So Rose would have had to have been born in Russia. But you said you were convinced that Rose was born in New York. Can you explain?

Is Yahya Abdu Latif a descendant of the Bloom or Rosenberg families? Or just someone else who shares R-PF7563?

If you do not know who are the 29 living Bloom men, how do you know that they are descendants of the same Bloom/Rosenberg family as yours? Do you know for sure that they share R-PF7563?

I did not know Who is Yahya Abdu Latif - Saudia Arabia?? and NO path.

Lisa K - you are a mensch. : )

There are 2 Mary Blooms, who were first cousins:
Не показывать - born 1883, daughter of Herbert (Herzl) Bloom
Mary Barnett - born 1892-1899, daughter of Max (Mordechai Bloom)

It seems the idea is that David Walter Bloom had an affair with his niece Rose Siegel (later Nachman) and that Rose's parents Jacob & Mary (David's sister) adopted the child - Herbert, Mitchell's father.

Eliyahu Neiman , yes, I understand that Mitchell is now saying that his father Herbert was the product of an affair between Rose (later, Nachman) and David Walter Bloom.

However, Mitchell recently stated that Rose's mother was Mary Barnett . Mitchell, did you mean Mary Bloom Siegel for Rose's mother, or Mary Bloom Barnett?

I am also trying to establish how we know that a) Herzl Bloom was a brother of Max Mordechai Bloom and b) that these men were both part of the Rozaitsky/Rosenberg family.

So far, we don't have Y-DNA evidence (that I know of) showing that other members of the Rozaitsky/Rosenberg family share Y-DNA with descendents of Max Mordechai Bloom or Herzl Bloom. If we do have this evidence, it would be helpful if someone could share it. Mitchell has mentioned 29 living Bloom men who apparently match him on Y-DNA, but then he said he doesn't know who they are. Bloom is a very common Jewish surname, shared by many people who are not closely related. So we need to figure out if these men are actually descendants of either Max Mordechai Bloom or Herzl Bloom, or of their common male ancestor, and/or of the Rosenberg/Rozaitsky family.

Lois previously asked about each of the Jacob Yehuda Rozaitsky/Rosenberg's sons, trying to identify if there are known Y-DNA results from any of their direct male-line descendants. This would help us determine whether the Rozaitsky/Rosenbergs and Blooms share Y-DNA. So far Mitchell has not answered this question.

Actually - I was asking about DNA from any descendants of any of those -. Was definitely thinking about autosomal - did say "especially shared cM, but also longest segment, etc. if possible."

YDNA from direct male might well be useful But not what I was asking or thinking about.

Sorry, Частный профиль my error. I agree that both autosomal and Y-DNA results from Bloom and Rozaitsky/Rosenberg family descendants would be useful in determining whether and how these families are related.

I agree with Jason Elliott Neiman. I found out about Mary Bloom (Barnett) as same as Mary Bloom (Siegel).

Leslie’s longest segments 47cM Chr 22

I found out that my bio grandfather David Walter Bloom had too many partners in Arizona. I’m not Mormon. I’m related to Mormon LDS Smith, Owens, Madsen

Частный профиль , are you saying that Не показывать is the same person as Mary Barnett ? I don't think that's the case.

Which DNA matches do you have with people from the Mormon LDS Smith, Owens, and Madsen families, and how many cM do you share with those individuals?

My great grandmother was Mary Bloom.
My step great grandfather was Jacob Siegel.

I believe Jacob, Rose, Mary lied to Dr Rabbi Doctor with their
Leslie’s adopted parents as Arnold and Shirley Hausner.

My father’s birth certificate was Fraud in 1925, Carole was born in 1944 and Arthur Nachman’s arrested in 1948.

Leslie mentioned she had her files in her lawyer office.

Leslie did screw up on my World tree. She was her close account on Geni.

https://adoption.com/wiki/Black_Market_Babies_(Glossary)

For my wife’s Jacobson/Owens - Martha with Rose Nachman

OK, so you are not saying that Не показывать is the same as Mary Barnett .

You are saying that Не показывать was your bio-great-grandmother, right? (Not Mary Bloom Barnett?)

But I'm confused again. You just described Jacob Siegel as your "step great-grandfather". But previously you said that he was Rose's father, which would make him your bio-great-grandfather if Rose was your bio-grandmother. Do you think that Jacob Siegel is not Rose's bio-father? If Jacob Siegel was not Rose's bio-father, who is Rose's bio-father?

I did not believe Mary Bloom’s documents FRAUD

I’m tired of you you believe any documents

I understand about black market babies. Horrible! (And it still happens around the world.)

Can you tell me which people from the Smith, Owens, and Madsen family you found out you match on DNA, and how many cM you share with each of those individuals?

My father’s birth certificate was Fraud with torn.

I did not trust Mary Bloom Siegel or Barnett documents like Jewish Mafia.

Частный профиль , I'm sorry you're tired of me! I'm just trying to understand what DNA evidence is available so that we do not have to rely on documents.

So you *are* saying, then, that Не показывать was the same as Mary Barnett ? OK. It wasn't clear before.

I saw I’m related to LDS Smith in Utah.

You wrote: "I saw I’m related to LDS Smith in Utah."

By DNA match? If so, which DNA match, and how many cM do you share?

I will call NYC District Attorney about Leslie had the files.

Leslie spy on my nephew and my brother. That’s why I rejected my brother’s nephew.

Best
DNA Double Agent

Stop questions about DNA shared. Do you have David Walter Bloom had an affair with women? I’m related to 29 bloom living men. Joke !

Martha is related to Rose Bloom (Siegel) Nachman.