Unknown Mother of Berchthold

Information from Geni user Michael George Dixon

Charles Cawley:-
http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/BAVARIA.htm#_Toc285367425

states:-

"The name and origin of Duke Arnulf's wife are not known.

Wegener however [ Wegener (1965/67), p. 72, and ES I 9. She is not mentioned in ES II 188A or Rösch, S. (1977) Caroli Magni Progenies (Verlag Degener & Co, Neustadt an der Aisch) ]

- speculates that she was --- of Friulia, daughter of Eberhard Duke of the March of Friulia [Unruochingi], ostensibly for onomastic reasons on the basis of the transmission of the names Eberhard and Judith into the family, used first for Duke Arnulf's children.

This daughter is, however, not listed among the children of Duke Eberhard set out in the cartulary of Cysoing abbey.

Ignace de Coussemaker (ed.) (1883) Cartulaire de l'abbaye de Cysoing et de ses dependences (Lille), no. 1 and no. 6, quoted in Settipani (1993), p. 257 footnote 45

Charles Cawley further observes:-

"Although she may be identical to one of the unnamed daughters.

From a chronological point of view, it is unlikely that the wife of Arnulf Duke of Bavaria was the daughter of Duke Eberhard. The latter's children must have been born between [840] and [860], whereas Duke Arnulf's children were probably born between [905] and [920], suggesting that their mother was born in [880/90]."

However, as a counterpoise to the above, perhaps Wegener's identification of 'Judith' as Judith [di Fiuli] von Friaul as Arnulf's spouse could be sustained [?] by the 933-4 Campaign into Italy, when a group of Italian nobles did offer that crown [thru a suitable princess?] to Arnulf.

Also in:-

Die Herrscher Bayerns. Sonderausgabe: 25 historische Portraits von Tassilo III. bis Ludwig III [German] Edited by Alois Schmid & Katharina Weigand Publisher: Beck C. H. (Jan 2006) Language: German ISBN-10: 3406544681 ISBN-13: 978-3406544682

Arnulf's wife is identified as 'Judith' on a Tree, pp.441, which in turn is based upon Europäische Stammtafeln.

'Judith' therefore is identifiable as wife based upon this acceptable source.

However can this 'Judith' be identified as Judith [di Friuli] von Friaul?

There is however another book, currently unavailable, which might shed further light on the identity of this 'Judith'.

Gloriosus dux: Studien zu Herzog Arnulf von Bayern (907-937) (Zeitschrift für bayerische Landesgeschichte) Ludwig Holzfurtner Hardcover: 154 pages Publisher: C.H. Beck (2003) - München Language: German ISBN-10: 3406106668 ISBN-13: 978-3406106668