SAHER [IV] de Quincy x (before 1190) MARGARET of Leicester

2. ROGER de Quincy (-25 Apr 1264, bur [Brackley]). "Seyerus de Quinci comes Wintonie" donated revenue from "molendino meo de Locres" to St Andrew´s priory, with the consent of "Rogeri filii et heredis mei", by undated charter, dated to [1217/18], witnessed by "Rogero de Quinci herede meo, Simone de Quinci persona de Louchres, Patricio filio Nesii…Simonis de Quinci"[76]. "Rogerus de Quinci filius Seyeri comitis Wintonie" confirmed his father´s donation of a mill to St Andrew´s priory by undated charter, dated to [1217/18], witnessed by "Dño Seyero patre meo comite Wintonie, Symone de Quinci persona de Louchres, Patricio filio Nesii…Gilleberto clerico, Symonis de Quinci, Henrico clerico, Symonis de Quinci"[77]. He succeeded his father in 1219 as Earl of Winchester, but was not recognised as such until after his mother's death[78]. "Rogerius de Quinci" confirmed donations of land "in territorio de Gasc", where the men of "domini patris mei comitis Wintonie" pastured animals, to Inchaffray Abbey by charter dated to [1220], witnessed by "Gilberto comite de Stratherne, Roberto et Fergus filiis suis…"[79]. He succeeded his father-in-law in 1234 as hereditary Constable of Scotland, de iure uxoris. "Rogerus de Quency constabularius Scocie et Elena uxor eius filia quondam Alani de Galweya" recognised the rights of the church of Glasgow to "villam de Edeluestune" by undated charter[80]. "Rogerus de Quincy" donated "boscum nostrum de Gleddiswod" to Dryburgh monastery, for the souls of "nostre et Alyenore sponse mee et…Alani de Galwythya et Helene filie sue quondam sponse nostro", by undated charter[81]. John of Fordun´s Scotichronicon (Continuator) records the death in 1264 of "Rogerus de Quinci comes Wincestriæ"[82]. An undated writ "48 Hen III", after the death of "Roger de Quency earl of Winchester", records that he died "on the day of St Mark the Evangelist" and names "Henry de Lascy aged 14 on the day of the Epiphany next, is his heir"[83]. Another writ dated 2 Nov "55 Hen III", after the death of "Roger de Quency alias de Quinsy sometime earl of Winchester", records further details about his landholdings[84]. His earldom reverted to the crown on his death.
x firstly ([before 1223]) ELLEN of Galloway, daughter of ALAN Lord of Galloway & his first wife --- de Lacy ([before 1205]-after 21 Nov 1245, bur Brackley). The Annales Londonienses name "Eleyn countesse de Wynton" as eldest of the three daughters of "la primere fille Davi" and "Aleyn de Gavei", naming "Margarete countesse de Ferreres et Eleyne la Zusche et la countesse de Bougham" as her three daughters[85]. Earl Roger's first marriage with the daughter of Alan of Galloway is recorded by Matthew Paris[86]. The Liber Pluscardensis records that the eldest daughter of "Alanus de Galway filius Rotholandi de Galway" married "Rogerus de Quinci comes Wintoniæ"[87]. The identity of Ellen’s mother as her father’s first wife is confirmed by her husband Roger de Quincy holding Kippax (linked to Alan’s first wife as shown above)[88]. Ellen’s birth and marriage dates are estimated from her daughter who married in [1238] having given birth soon after that marriage. "Elena quondam filia Alani de Galeweya" donated "villam de Edeluestune" to the church of Glasgow by undated charter[89]. "Rogerus de Quency constabularius Scocie et Elena uxor eius filia quondam Alani de Galweya" recognised the rights of the church of Glasgow to "villam de Edeluestune" by undated charter[90].

xx secondly (before 5 Jun 1250) as her second husband, MATILDA de Bohun, widow of ANSELM Marshal Earl of Pembroke, daughter of HUMPHREY de Bohun Earl of Hereford and Essex & his wife Mathilde de Lusignan (-Groby, Lincolnshire 20 Oct 1252, bur Brackley80). A charter dated 19 Jan 1246 mandates the grant to "Matilda who was the wife of Anselm Marshall…[of] 60 librates of land in Ireland, for her maintenance until the king shall cause her dower to be assigned to her out of Anselm´s lands"[91]. Her death is recorded by Matthew Paris, who states that she was daughter of the Earl of Hereford but does not give her own name, that she was her husband's second wife[92].

xxx m thirdly (before 5 Dec 1252) as her second husband, ELEANOR Ferrers, widow of WILLIAM de Vaux, daughter of WILLIAM de Ferrers Earl of Derby & his first wife Sibyl Marshal of Pembroke (-before 20 Oct 1274, bur Leeds Priory). The Chronicle of Tintern Abbey, Monmouthshire names "Agnes, secunda Isabella, tertia Matilda, quarta Sibilla, quinta Johanna, sexta Alianora, septima Agatha" as the seven daughters of "Willielmo de Ferrers comiti Derbiæ" and his wife "quarta filia…Willihelmi Marescalli…Sibilla", adding that "Alianora sexta filia" was "comitissa de Wintonia" and died childless[93]. A charter dated 26 May 1250 records the restoration of property, granted to "Margaret Countess of Lincoln", to "William de Vescy and Agnes his wife, Reginald de Moun and Isabel his wife, William de Fortibus and Matilda his wife, Francis de Boun and Sibil his wife, William de Vallibus and Alienor his wife, John de Moun and Joan his wife, Agatha de Ferrers in the king´s custody, Roger de Mortimer and Matilda his wife, and William de Cantilupe and Eva his wife"[94]. Her second marriage is confirmed by the Annals of Ireland which record that “Sibilla comitissa de Ferreys” had seven daughters (in order) “quinta, Elianora de Varis, quæ fuit uxor comitis Wintonie…”[95]. Matthew Paris records her husband's remarriage soon after the death of his second wife, but does not name his third wife[96]. "Rogerus de Quincy" donated "boscum nostrum de Gleddiswod" to Dryburgh monastery, for the souls of "nostre et Alyenore sponse mee et…Alani de Galwythya et Helene filie sue quondam sponse nostro", by undated charter[97]. She married thirdly (1267) as his second wife, Roger de Leyburn. King Edward I ordered the the escheator of Ireland to take all the lands of the deceased "Alianora widow of Roger de Quency earl of Winchester" into the hands of the king by charter dated 25 Oct 1274[98]. Earl Roger & his first wife had three children:

a) MARGARET de Quincy ([before 1223]-before 12 Mar 1281). T
b) ELLEN de Quincy (-before 20 Aug 1296).
c) ELIZABETH de Quincy .

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Parents: Saer de Quincy and Margaret de Beaumont

Wives: Helen of Galloway, Maud de Bohun and Eleanor Ferrers

Children: Helen, Elisabeth and Margaret (all with Helen of Galloway)

Roger de Quincy, 2nd Earl of Winchester (1195? – April 25, 1265) was a medieval nobleman who was prominent on both sides of the Anglo-Scottish border, as Earl of Winchester and Constable of Scotland.

He was the second son of Saer de Quincy, 1st Earl of Winchester, and Margaret de Beaumont.

He probably joined his father on the Fifth Crusade in 1219, where the elder de Quincy fell sick and died. His elder brother having died a few years earlier, Roger thus inherited his father's titles and properties. However, he did not take possession of his father's lands until February 1221, probably because he did not return to England from the crusade until then. He did not formally become earl until after the death of his mother in 1235.

Roger married Helen, eldest daughter and co-heiress of Alan, Lord of Galloway. Without legitimate sons to succeed him, Alan's lands and dignities were divided between the husbands of his three daughters, so Roger acquired Alan's position as Constable of Scotland, and one-third of the lordship of Galloway (although the actual title of Lord of Galloway went through Helen's half-sister Devorguilla to her husband John I de Balliol).

The Galwegians rebelled under Gille Ruadh, not wanting their land divided, but the rebellion was suppressed by Alexander II of Scotland. Roger ruled his portion of Galloway strictly, and the Galwegians revolted again in 1247, forcing Roger to take refuge in a castle. Faced with a siege and little chance of relief, Roger and a few men fought their way out and rode off to seek help from Alexander, who raised forces to again suppress the rebellion.

In the following years Roger was one of the leaders of the baronial opposition to Henry III of England, although he fought for Henry against the Welsh in the 1250s and 1260s.

Following Helen's death in 1245, Roger married Maud de Bohun, daughter of Humphrey de Bohun, 2nd Earl of Hereford, around 1250. Maud died only two years later, and Roger married his third wife, Eleanor Ferrers, daughter of William de Ferrers, 5th Earl of Derby the same year.

Roger had three daughters by his first wife, but no sons. His subsequent marriages produced no issue. After his death his estates were divided between the daughters, and the earldom of Winchester lapsed. The three daughters of Roger and Helen of Galloway were:

1) Helen (also known as Ela or Elena), who married Alan Baron Zouche of Ashby;

2) Elizabeth (also known as Isabella), who married Alexander Comyn, 2nd Earl of Buchan;

3) Margaret, who married William de Ferrers, 5th Earl of Derby (and was thus stepmother to her own stepmother).

References

Hunt, William (1896). "Saer de Quincy, first Earl of Winchester". Dictionary of National Biography. 48. (Roger de Quincy is treated a subtopic of his father's article)

Grant G. Simpson, “An Anglo-Scottish Baron of the Thirteenth century: the Acts of Roger de Quincy Earl of Winchester and Constable of Scotland” (Unpublished PhD Thesis, Edinburgh 1963).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_de_Quincy,_2nd_Earl_of_Winchester

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Roger de Quency, 2nd Earl of Winchester was the son of Saher de Quency, 1st Earl of Winchester and Margaret (?).

He married, firstly, Helen de Galloway, daughter of Alan de Galloway, Lord of Galloway and Margaret of Huntingdon, before 1234.

He died on 25 April 1264.

Roger de Quency, 2nd Earl of Winchester was also known as Roger de Quincy. He gained the title of 2nd Earl of Winchester.

Child of Roger de Quency, 2nd Earl of Winchester:

   * Isabel de Quency

Children of Roger de Quency, 2nd Earl of Winchester and Helen de Galloway

   * Elizabeth de Quincy d. a Apr 1282

* Margaret de Quinci b. c 1218, d. b 12 Mar 1284
http://www.thepeerage.com/p487.htm#i4866

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From http://www.rpi.edu/~holmes/Hobbies/Genealogy/ps10/ps10_276.htm

Roger was Constable of Scotland and second Earl Winchester (1235, in the absence of his elder brother, Robert). He was heir of his mother at her death. His three daughters divided his estate.

References: [AR7],[CP],[MCS4],[RD500]

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Birth: 1174 in Winchester, County Hampshire, ENGLAND
Death: 25 APR 1264 in ENGLAND but buried in Brackley, County Aberdeenshire, SCOTLAND Event: Note Coat of Arms, URL http://www.geog.port.ac.uk/webmap/hantsmap/hantsmap/topics/blazon06... Occupation: Constable of SCOTLAND

This City is governed by a Mayor, Aldermen, Burgesses, Recorder, and Common-Council. The Citizens had formerly the Privilege of overseeing the King or Queen's Kitchin and Laundry at the Coronation, as the Citizens of London had the Care of the Wine-Cellar, as Holinshed, and other Chronicles tell us. Here are weekly two plentiful Markets on Wednesday and Saturday, and a Fair on the first Monday in Lent. It sends two Citizens to Parliament, who are in this Session, George Rodney Bridges Esq; and Lord William Pawlet. This City has given a Title to many ancient and Noble families, of which our Histories give this Account, viz. Clito, a noble Saxon, at the Time of the Conquest, was Earl of Winchester, but at the coming of the Normans he was deprived of his Estate and Honour. After him we find none bearing that Title, till K. John made Saer de Quincy, Earl of Winchester, whose Arms were a Fesse with a Label of Seven, as appears from his Seal. He married Margaret, the youngest Sister and Coheir of Robert, Earl of Leicester, and by her had one Son and Heir.

Roger de Quincy, who bore for his Arms, in a Field Gules, seven Mascles voided, Or: He married the eldest Daughter and Co-heir of Alan, Lord Galloway, in Scotland, but by her had three Daughters only, of whom the eldest was married to William de Ferrariis, Earl of Derby, the second to Alan de Zouche, and the youngest to Comino, Earl of Buchan, in Scotland, whereupon the Honour was extinct, and so continued for a considerable Time, till .... (there is a full page with more names at the web site below)

SOURCE: "Cox's Hampshire, 1738", URL http://www.geog.port.ac.uk/webmap/hantsmap/hantsmap/cox1/cox1tx42.htm