Roger de Cundy, Lord of Coventry

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Roger DE CONDET of Caenby & Glentham

Born: Abt 1138, Eagle, Lincoln, Lincolnshire, England Died: 1201, Caenby & Glentham, Lincolnshire, England

Other names for Roger were Roger DE CUNDET, Roger DE CUNDI and Roger DE CUNI.

General Notes: The following entries are from Domesday Descendants p.425 de Cundet, Roger II Son of Robert de Condé and Alice (of Chester), a minor at his father's death c.1141. Nephew of Roger de Cundy, clerk of Roger de Mowbray in the 1140s and 1150s. Held 8 knights' fees of the bishop of Lincoln in 1166. Steward of Roger de Mowbray in 1174 or 1175. Attested Mowbray charters from c.1150/54, when Robert de Cundet, probably his younger brother, also starts to witness. He held half a fee, in scattered estates at Axholme, Lincolnshire, Burton Lazars, Leicestershire, Eltisley, Cambridgeshire, Great and Little Wildon and Bagby, Yorkshire, from the honour of Mowbray in 1166. Benefactor of Newburgh (Mowbray Ch., 205, 212). He was dead in 1201, when his heir was his daughter Agnes, wife of Walter Clifford, ancestor of the earls of Cumberland. [Cf. Major Lincs. Reg. Antiq. i pp.282ff. Clay, Early Yorkshire Charters (1936), V, nos 160,385; Clay, Early Yorkshire Charters (1952), IX, nos 115, 125, 146, 153, 167; Clay, Early Yorkshire Charters (1955), XII, no. 111; Greenway, Charters of the Honour of Mowbray (1972), no.22, 34, 40, 50, 55, 99, 105, 108, 159, 168, 197, 205, 240, 244, 296, 301, 351, 353, 354, 359, 371, 383, 396, 399; Red Book of the Exchequer, ed. Hall (1897), pp.418-21.]

Marriage Information: Roger married Basilia DE DAMMARTIN Lady of Horncastle, daughter of Cte Aubri (Alberic) I DE DAMMARTIN Comte de Dammartin-en-Goele and Joan DE BASSET. (Basilia DE DAMMARTIN Lady of Horncastle was born about 1153 in Dammartine, Seine-et-Marne, France .)

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Personal data Roger de Condet , of Caenby & Glentham Source 1 Also known as Roger de /Cundi/. He was born about 1138 in Eagle, Lincoln, Lincolnshire, England. He died in the year 1201 in of Caenby &, Glentham, Lincolnshire, England.Source 2 A child of Robert de Condet and Adeliz (Alice) le Meschin This information was last updated on June 20, 2011.

Ancestors (and descendant) of Roger de Condet Osbert de Condet ± 1082-< 1130 Adelaide de Chesney ± 1088-???? Ranulph le Meschin ± 1060-1129 Lucy (Lucia) of Mercia ± 1070-1141 Robert de Condet ± 1102-± 1141 Adeliz (Alice) le Meschin ± 1100-1128 Roger de Condet ± 1138-1201

Turton has Roger Cundi as son of Osbert Cundi by Alice de Cheney. I haveRoger as grandson of Osbert Condet/Cundy/Cundi by Adelaide de Chesney.[Jim Weber]

The following is excerpted from a post to SGM, 5 Feb 2004, by RosieBevan, concerning Keats-Rohan's entries of Roger & his father Robert:

From: rosie bevan (rbevan AT paradise.net.nz) Subject: Re: Ancestry of Agnes de Condet/Cundy, wife of Walter de Clifford Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval Date: 2004-02-05 00:17:33 PST

Dear Jim

The following entries are from Domesday Descendants p.425

de Cundet, Roger II Son of Robert de Condé and Alice (of Chester), a minor at his father'sdeath c.1141. Nephew of Roger de Cundy, clerk of Roger de Mowbray in the1140s and 1150s. Held 8 knights' fees of the bishop of Lincoln in 1166.Steward of Roger de Mowbray in 1174 or 1175. Attested Mowbray chartersfrom c.1150/54, when Robert de Cundet, probably his younger brother, alsostarts to witness. He held half a fee, in scattered estates at Axholme,Lincolnshire, Burton Lazars, Leicestershire, Eltisley, Cambridgeshire,Great and Little Wildon and Bagby, Yorkshire, from the honour of Mowbrayin 1166. Benefactor of Newburgh (Mowbray Ch., 205, 212). He was dead in1201, when his heir was his daughter Agnes, wife of Walter Clifford,ancestor of the earls of Cumberland. [Cf. Major Lincs. Reg. Antiq. i pp.282ff. Clay, Early Yorkshire Charters(1936), V, nos 160,385; Clay, Early Yorkshire Charters (1952), IX, nos115, 125, 146, 153, 167; Clay, Early Yorkshire Charters (1955), XII, no.111; Greenway, Charters of the Honour of Mowbray (1972), no.22, 34, 40,50, 55, 99, 105, 108, 159, 168, 197, 205, 240, 244, 296, 301, 351, 353,354, 359, 371, 383, 396, 399; Red Book of the Exchequer, ed. Hall (1897),pp.418-21.]

In the Domesday Book Caenby was referred to as Covenebi. Both Grantham(sic. later changed to Glentham) and Caenby were part of the Bishop ofLincoln's fee at that time.

Cheers

Rosie

This post by Rosie Bevan, supports the connection with Roger's grandmother Adelaide de Chesney:

From: rosie bevan (rbevan AT paradise.net.nz) Subject: Re: Ancestry of Agnes de Condet/Cundy, wife of Walter deClifford Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval Date: 2004-02-05 17:57:21 PST

Thanks, Tim and Peter

Yes, this is another for the DD corrections pages. Sorry I should have spotted that error myself.

Richard fitz Gilbert de Clare (d. 1136) was the husband of Alice, and theson of Gilbert fitz Richard. His biography is found on p.398/399. Alsocovered in CP III p.243.

Regarding the Chesney connection Roger de Cundi held 9 fees from the Bishop of Lincoln in 1166, but in 1169 William de Chesney was holdingthese as ward of the heir of Roger. Roger had been a benefactor toEynsham abbey of land in Milton near Thame [Salter, Eynsham Cartulary v.1p.113], which perhaps ties William de Chesney of Glentham and Caenby(also holding of the bishop of Lincoln), in with the Oxfordshire familyof Roger de Chesney and Alice de Langetot, benefactors to the samereligious house. Adding weight to this suggestion is the fact that Robertde Chesney, son of Roger and Alice, was bishop of Lincoln between1148-1166 [DD 833; Fasti Ecclesiae Anglicanae v.2 p.8], and would havebeen an active benefactor to his own family. http://cybergata.com/roots/2219.htm

Roger de Condet Born: Abt 1118, Coventry, Lincolnshire, England Marriage: Basilia de Dammartin Died: Abt 1201 about age 83 bullet Another name for Roger was Roger de Cundi Lord of Coventry.

Background Information: From GEN-MEDIEVAL-L Archives. 193 From: rosie bevan <rbevan@paradise.net.nz> Subject: Re: Ancestry of Agnes de Condet/Cundy, wife of Walter de Clifford Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 21:17:22 +1300

The following entries are from Domesday Descendants p.425

de Cundet, Robert In 1130 Robert de Condé accounted in Kent and in Sussex for an agreement with the bishop of Lincoln, and in Lincolnshire for the land of his father. His parentage is unknown, though it is usually suggested that he was a descendant of Emma Crispin (aunt of Robert I Malet) and Peter de Condé. He married Alice or Adelicia, probably the daughter of Ranulf I of Chester and in 1136 widow of Gilbert fitz Richard de Clare (major, Linq. Reg. Antiq. i, pp. 282ff0. At his death on a 10 October sometime between 1139 and 1145 his minor son Roger was his heir. Probably father also of a son Robert (q.v.). His fee was a composite granted some time after 1086, consisting of land in Wickhambreux, Kent, South Carlton, Grimston, Thurlby and Eagle and Skellingthorpe, Lincolnshire. Pipe Roll 31 Henry I, 67-kn, 111-1n

de Cundet, Roger II Son of Robert de Condé and Alice (of Chester), a minor at his father's death c.1141. Nephew of Roger de Cundy, clerk of Roger de Mowbray in the 1140s and 1150s. Held 8 knights' fees of the bishop of Lincoln in 1166. Steward of Roger de Mowbray in 1174 or 1175. Attested Mowbray charters from c.1150/54, when Robert de Cundet, probably his younger brother, also starts to witness. He held half a fee, in scattered estates at Axholme, Lincolnshire, Burton Lazars, Leicestershire, Eltisley, Cambridgeshire, Great and Little Wildon and Bagby, Yorkshire, from the honour of Mowbray in 1166. Benefactor of Newburgh (Mowbray Ch., 205, 212). He was dead in 1201, when his heir was his daughter Agnes, wife of Walter Clifford, ancestor of the earls of Cumberland. Cf. Major Lincs. Reg. Antiq. i pp.282ff. Clay, Early Yorkshire Charters (1936), V, nos 160,385; Clay, Early Yorkshire Charters (1952), IX, nos 115, 125, 146, 153, 167; Clay, Early Yorkshire Charters (1955), XII, no. 111; Greenway, Charters of the Honour of Mowbray (1972), no.22, 34, 40, 50, 55, 99, 105, 108, 159, 168, 197, 205, 240, 244, 296, 301, 351, 353, 354, 359, 371, 383, 396, 399; Red Book of the Exchequer, ed. Hall (1897), pp.418-21.

In the Domesday Book Caenby was referred to as Covenebi. Both Grantham and Caenby were part of the Bishop of Lincoln's fee at that time.