Roese de Venables

Sir Roger de Venables, baron of Kinderton, died about 1261.  He married Alice dau of Alan de Peninton of Peninton Hall, Lancashire, about 1240. In addition to their heir, Sir William, this couple also had: Rose, wife of Alexander Bamvyle; Roger de Venables, parson of Rosthorne in time of Edw I; Amy wife of Hugh de Hatton.

Robert DE STOKEPORT married Roese DE VENABLES, daughter of Roger DE VENABLES of Kinderton and Alice DE PENINTON. (Roese DE VENABLES was born about 1225 in Kinderton cum Hulme, Northwich, Cheshire, England 12247.)

Children

1. Robert DE STOKEPORT+. Married Elen DE MAUBANC
2. Margaret DE STOKEPORT.

Notes
1. Alternate Birth; Abt 1201, Kinderton cum Hulme, Northwich, Cheshire, England.

Ormerod, George; Peter Leycester; William Smith; William Webb; and Thomas Helsby. The history of the county palatine and city of Chester: compiled from original evidences in public offices, the Harleian and Cottonian mss., parochial registers, private muniments, unpublished ms. collections of successive Cheshire antiquaries, and a personal survey of every township in the county, incorporated with a republication of King's Vale Royal and Leycester's Cheshire antiquities. (London: G. Routledge, 1882) 3:199.

Footnote: Who, there can be very little doubt, was the widow of the baron of Stockport, and whose 2d husgand, Alexander, was son of sir Thomas Bamvyle. - H.

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References

1. Ormerod volume 3 page 198 onwards "Venables of Kinderton"
2. https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Venables-2
3. http://www.thornber.net/cheshire/htmlfiles/venables.html
4. https://www.werelate.org/wiki/Person:Roesia_Venables_%281%29

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Family

Rosea, parents unknown, was married twice:[1] [2]

1. Sir Robert Stockport,[2] (son of Robert Stockport and Matilda Banastre) who was living in 23 Henry III [1238-39]; with whom she had children:
   1. Sir Robert Stockport;[1] [2]
   2. Margaret,[2] who was the wife of William Vernon, during the time that William Ouresby was Justiciar of Cheshire;[1]
2. Alexander de Bamvile,[1] son of Sir Thomas de Bamville of Storeton, co Chester;[2] with whom she had children, including:
   1. Thomas, oldest son who married Havise, daughter of Robert de Winington;[3]

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Supporting data

Ormerod's History of Cheshire, Vol. III, p. 795

Sir Robert de Stokeport, knight, son of Robert and Matilda, Inq. p.m. 33 Hen III, Sir Robert de Stokeport, Knight, held, in service, Merpel and Wibberslegh ; also Stokeport of Hugh Despencer. Sir Robert died in either 1239 or 1249, leaqving a widow named Roesia who remarried Alexander de Bamville (of the Storeton family), and released to her grandson, Richard de Stokeport, her claim in the manors of Echells, Stockport, Bredbury, Romilegh, Wernith, and Hatterslegh, &c. and had issue of Margaret, wife of William de Vernon and Robert, heir and son.

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George Ormerod, "Calendar of Such Entries in the Cheshire Domesday Roll as have been Recovered from the Documents Cited,"

In the time of Guncelyn de Badlesmere, 1274-1280, a Release by Alexander de Bamville, and Roesia his wife, of all their right, by reason of dower, after the death of Robert de Stokeport, formerly husband of the said Roesia, in the manors of Echeles, Stokeport, Bredburie, Romelegh, and Hatreslegh, was enrolled on the Cheshire Domesday Roll. (F. 34.)

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1580 Visitation of Cheshire

An Ancient Deed Recorded by the Herald During the 1580 Visitation of Cheshire[3]

"Ego Alexander de Bamuile & Roisa vxor mea. dedimus Thomae filio n'ro primogenito et Hauisa filiae Rob'ti de Winington : Terram meam in villa de p'va Storton, quas Joha'na quae fuit vxor Ric'i Kingesley mihi Alexandro dedit."

Translated: I, Alexander de Bamville and Rose my wife, gave Thomas our eldest son and Hauisa daughter of Robert de Winington: my land in the town of p'va Storton which Joan who was the wife of Richard Kingesley gave me, Alexander.

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References

1. http://cybergata.com/roots/9730.htm cites
   1. 160. Weis' Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700, 8th Edition, 63a:33-34
   2. 713. Ormerod's History of Cheshire, Vol. III, p. 795
2. https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Stockport-4
   1. Rylands, John Paul, ed., The Visitation of Cheshire in the Year 1580 Made by Robert Glover, Somerset Herald, for William Flower, Norroy King of Arms, with Numerous Additions and Continuations, Including Those from the Visitation of Cheshire Made in the Year 1566, by the Same Herald. With an Appendix, Containing the Visitation of a Part of Cheshire in the Year 1533, made by William Fellows, Lancaster Herald, for Thomas Benolte, Clarenceux King of Arms. And a Fragment of the Visitation of the City of Chester in the Year 1591, Made by Thomas Chaloner, Deputy to the Office of Arms, (London: Harleian Society, XVIII, 1882), 241, e-book Internet Archive (https://archive.org/details/visitationofches00glov/page/241/mode/1up : accessed 8 May, 2022). Pedigree: Warren de Pointon, Baron of Stockport.
   2. J P Earwaker, MA, East Cheshire: Past and Present; or A History of the Hundred of Macclesfield, in the County Palatine of Chester. From Original Records, 2 volumes, (London: Self-published, 1877), I:343, e-Book HathiTrust (https://hdl.handle.net/2027/mdp.39015009217012?urlappend=%3Bseq=397... : accessed: 26 May, 2022).
   3. Rylands, John Paul, ed., The Visitation of Cheshire in the Year 1580 Made by Robert Glover, Somerset Herald, for William Flower, Norroy King of Arms, with Numerous Additions and Continuations, Including Those from the Visitation of Cheshire Made in the Year 1566, by the Same Herald. With an Appendix, Containing the Visitation of a Part of Cheshire in the Year 1533, made by William Fellows, Lancaster Herald, for Thomas Benolte, Clarenceux King of Arms. And a Fragment of the Visitation of the City of Chester in the Year 1591, Made by Thomas Chaloner, Deputy to the Office of Arms, (London: Harleian Society, XVIII, 1882), 212 and 213, e-book Internet Archive (https://archive.org/details/visitationofches00glov/page/212/mode/1up : accessed 8 May, 2022). Pedigree: Pro Stanley de Hooton.
   4. George Ormerod, "Calendar of Such Entries in the Cheshire Domesday Roll as have been Recovered from the Documents Cited," Genealogical Essays Illustrative of Cheshire and Lancashire Families, and a Memoir on the Cheshire Domesday Roll, Compiled from Original Authorities, (1851), 18, e-Book Internet Archive (https://archive.org/details/memoironcheshire00orme/page/18/mode/1up : accessed 16 May, 2022). No. 58.