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About Robert de Quincy
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he says that Dougall Seton married Jennet Quintsey daughter to Rodger Quintsey Earle of Wintone Constable of Scotland By which marriage it appears the said Dougall Seton gott the lands of Winton Now though there is some error in regard to the date and the marriage for Dougall is said to have lived a full century before Roger de Quinci who died in 1264 it shows the family belief that Winton came through some De Quinci connexion which the Setons perpetuated in their title They also adopted the De Quinci crest the wyvcrn or dragon seen on the beautiful seal of the Constable in 1250 Laing's Cat No 082 and two dragons still form the supporters of the Earl of Eglinton and Winton the male representative of this distinguished house which as their old chronicler remarks hes bein verray ancyent and honorable. Lord Henry Scott in his recent able address to the Historical Section of the Archaeological Institute at Southampton traced the title of Winton borne by the bishops of the see from the Caer Gwent of the Britons through the Venta of the Romans If my conjecture is borne out by evidence then we have an antiquity for the lineage of the Scottish Winton equalled by few titles in the Peerage That the Setons like other well known families had an English connexion appears from Dugdale Baronage ii p 736 who says
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26 ARMORIAL DE GELRE. but the established crest of the Winton family was a dragon or wyvern vert, spouting fire, wings elevated, and charged with a mullet argent, issuing from a ducal coronet. Some- times a scroll with the war-cry " Set on " issues from the mouth. Motto, " Zet fordward," or " Hazard, zet fordward." Below the shield, Invia virtuti via nulla (Ovid., " Met.," xiv. 113), and on scrolls pass- ing over the middle of the supporters, Intaininatis fulget honoribus (Hon, " Carm.," iii. 2, 18).
The wyvern crest was used by Roger de Quincy, Earl of Win- chester, and is believed by Nisbet to have been adopted by the Setons with the title of Winton, on account of their relation to the family of De Quincy.
Robert de Quincy seems to have inherited no English lands from his father, and pursued a knightly career in Scotland, where he is recorded from around 1160 as a close companion of his cousin, King William the Lion. By 1170 he had married Orabilis, heiress of the Scottish lordship of Leuchars and, through her, he became lord of an extensive complex of estates north of the border which included lands in Fife, Strathearn and Lothian.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saer_de_Quincy,_1st_Earl_of_Winchester
Saer de Quincy, the son of Robert de Quincy and Orabilis of Leuchars, was raised largely in Scotland. His absence from English records for the first decades of his life has led some modern historians and genealogists to confuse him with his uncle, Saer II, who took part in the rebellion of Henry the Young King in 1173, when the future Earl of Winchester can have been no more than a toddler. Saer II's line ended without direct heirs, and his nephew and namesake would eventually inherit his estate, uniting his primary Scottish holdings with the family's Northamptonshire patrimony, and possibly some lands in France.
Robert de Quincy's Timeline
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1066
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Cuinchy, Pas-de-Calais, Nord-Pas-de-Calais, France
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1069
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Winchester, Hampshire, England, United Kingdom
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1106
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Winchester, Hampshire, England
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Cuinchy, Pas-de-Calais, Nord-Pas-de-Calais, France
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Scotland
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