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Richard Talbot, II

Also Known As: "de/"
Birthdate:
Birthplace: Linton, Herefordshire, England
Death: 1174 (47-56)
Bromyard, Herefordshire, , England
Place of Burial: Rosenhohe Mausoleum B. Darmstadt, Striknb, Hesse-Darmstadt
Immediate Family:

Son of Sir Hugh Talbot and Lady Beatrice de Mandeville
Husband of Joan Talbot (Bulmer)
Father of Gilbert Talbot, I; Richard Talbot; Walter Talbot and Adam Talbot
Brother of Hue Talbot, Baron de Cleuville, Seigneur de Hotot-sur-Mer; Gerard Talbot and Guillaume Talbot
Half brother of Sir William de Saye, III (II) and Geoffrey II de Saye, 1st Lord of West Greenwich, Magna Carta Surety

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About Richard Talbot, II

The History of the County of Dublin by John D'Alton (Dublin, 1838, pp. 191-2):

In 1174 Richard de Talbot, having accompanied Henry the Second to Ireland, obtained a grant of Malahide, part of which, Malahide beg, he soon afterwards leased to the monks of Mary's Abbey, and his son Reginald confirmed the demise.

In 1190 Malahide is mentioned as a chapelry dependant on Swords. See "Coolock."

In 1286 Richard de Talbot, grandson of the aforesaid Richard, having succeeded to this manor on the death of his father Adam, granted to King Edward all lordships, escheats, reliefs, marriages, &c. happening therein, and settled the said manor thereby on his son Milo de Talbot. In 1300 the said Richard contributed twenty shillings as his subsidy for Malahide towards the expenses of the Scottish war. Soon after which occur records of stubborn lawsuits between his grandson and another Richard Talbot, of Feltrim and Castletown-Dalkey, for the manor of Malahide, in which the former was, after a due course of litigation, ruinously Successful.. This Richard of Malahide was, in 1315, Sheriff of Dublin, he subsequently signalized himself in the wars against Edward Bruce, but was, with other noblemen and gentlemen, treacherously murdered at Ballybragan, in the County of Louth, in 1329. At the time of this event, Thomas, the son and heir of said Richard, was a minor, and accordingly the king in that year made a grant of the wardship of his estates during the minority, at a certain nominal rent to one of the minions of the day.*


Wikitree: https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Talbot-541

Sir Richard Talbot

Born about 1122 in Herefordshire, England

Son of Hugh Talbot and [mother unknown]
Brother of Jeanne Talbot, Hugh Talbot, Wiliam Talbot and Gilbert (DeTalbot) Talbot Husband of Unknown (Bulmer) de Talbot — married 1150 [location unknown]

Father of Gilbert Talbot, Richard Talbot and Walter Talbot Died before 25 Dec 1175 [location unknown] Profile manager: Lindsay Tyrie Profile last modified 3 Nov 2019 | Created 2 Nov 2011

Richard Talbot was born in Herefordshire, England. Writ of King John dated 1212 which recorded that "Ricardus Talebot" previously held "feudum i militis apud Linton" in Herefordshire, granted by King Henry II, which was now held by "Gilbertus filius eius".[1][2]

Notes

FMG doesn't have Richard connected to parents, but states ... "His possible link with the Lacy family, noted below, suggests that Richard [III] Talbot may have been a descendant of Geoffrey [I] Talbot (see above), whose probable connections with Lacy are discussed above."

The English ancestry of Peter Talbot of Dorchester, Mass., has Richard as the son of Hugh, son of Richard.

Sources

  1. ↑ Liber Feodorum. The Book of Fees commonly called Testa de Nevill. Part I. AD 1198-1242. HMSO 1920, p.100. https://archive.org/details/liberfeodorumboo01grea/page/100
  2. ↑ FMG: GILBERT Talbot of Linton (-before 13 Feb 1231). [1].

The following would be about his son, but includes information about the father as well:

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Talbot-544

Sir Richard Talbot Born 1150 in England

Son of Richard Talbot and Unknown (Bulmer) de Talbot Brother of Gilbert Talbot and Walter Talbot [spouse%28s%29 unknown]

Father of Reginald Talbot Died about 1193 in Malahide, County Dublin Ireland Profile manager: Gary Harding Profile last modified 27 Apr 2019 | Created 2 Nov 2011

1st Lord Talbot of Malahide before 1170 - 1193 Succeeded by Sir Reginald Talbot

Biography

The first lord Richard Talbot came to Malahide in 1170, in the reign of Henry II. Talbot’s lordship of Malahide was confirmed by the King's son, Prince John, later to become King of England. Also confirmed on Richard was the Advowson for the Church of Malahide and when he died in 1193, he presented his brother, Walter Talbot with that benefice.[1]

Research Note

The author of Talbot Documents states:

According to the pedigree of the family, drawn up with every appearance of accuracy by Sir William Betham, Richard Talbot, the second son of Richard Talbot, Lord of Eccleswell and Linton, in Herefordshire, who was living in 1153, having accompanied King Henry II to Ireland, obtained from that monarch the lordship of Malahide, being part of the two cantreds of Leinster, in the neighbourhood of Dublin, which King Henry had reserved, when he granted the rest of the province to Richard Earl of Strongbow, to be held as a noble fief of the crown of England.
It is at all events certain, as appears from the chartulary or register of Mary's Abbey, now in the British Museum, that this Richard Talbot granted to St Mary's Abbey in Dublin certain lands called Venenbristen, which lie between Croscurry and the lands of Hamon Mac Kirkyl, in pure and perpetual alms, that the monks there might pray for the health of his soul and that of his brother Roger, and their ancestors; and that he also leased certain lands in Malahide and Portmarnoc to the monks of the same abbey.

From this Richard Talbot the present Lord Talbot de Malahide descends in the 20th generation, and in the 24th from Richard Talbot, a Norman baron who held Hereford Castle in the time of the Conqueror. The noble Earls of Shrewsbury and Talbot are of the same stock, but descend from Gilbert, the elder brother of Richard, who was Lord of Eccleswell and Linton, and was living in 1190.

The original death date was 1262 with a birth around 1150 making him 112 at death. Very unlikely. I've replaced the death date with that given in Talbot Documents .

Sir Richard de Talbot, a young Norman knight from Shrewsbury was with King Henry ll's expedition to Ireland in 1174, following the success of Richard de Clare (Strongbow). He was rewarded with a grant of the "lands and harbour of Malahide" about 1185. [2] He was also granted Castletown-Dalkey (now Rochestown)[3]

He was the first Lord Talbot of Malahide

Sources

  1. ↑ Malahide Historical Society. Talbot Documents
  2. ↑ Wikipedia : Malahide Castle
  3. ↑ The Peerage
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Talbot of Herefordshire and Cornwall, England

Hugh Talbot b abt 1105, of Shrewsbury, Shropshire, England. He md Beatrice de Mandeville abt 1125, daughter of William de Mandeville and Margaret.

Child of Hugh Talbot and Beatrix de Mandeville was:
Richard Talbot b abt 1127, of Linton, Herefordshire, England, d 1174/75. He md Daughter de Bulmer abt 1148, daughter of Stephen de Bulmer. She was b abt 1134, of Appletreewick, Yorkshire, England.

Child of Richard Talbot and Daughter de Bulmer was:

Gilbert Talbot b abt 1155, of Hereford, Herefordshire, England, d bef 15 Feb 1230. Wife unknown.

Child of Gilbert Talbot was:

Richard Talbot b abt 1186, of Herefordshire, England, d aft 1231. He md Aline/Aliva Basset abt 1220, daughter of Alan Basset and Aline de Gay.

Child of Richard Talbot and Aline Basset was:

Gilbert Talbot b abt 1224, Herefordshire, England, d 8 Sep 1274. He md Gwenthlian verch Rhys abt 1246, daughter of Rhys-Mechyll ap Rhys, Lord of Dynevor. She was b abt 1232, Dynevor, Carmarthenshire, Wales.

Child of Gilbert Talbot and Gwenthlian verch Rhys was:

Richard Talbot, Governor of Cardiff, b 1250, Herefordshire, England, d 3 Sep 1306, Eccleswall, Herefordshire, England. He md Sarah de Beauchamp aft 7 Jan 1267/68, daughter of Sir William de Beauchamp, Lord of Elmley Castle, and Isabel Mauduit. Child of Richard Talbot and Sarah de Beauchamp was:

Gilbert Talbot b 18 Oct 1276, Wyke, Cornwall, England, d bef 24 Feb 1345/46, Eccleswall, Herefordshire, England. He md Anne/Ankaret le Botiler abt 1300, daughter of William le Botiler and Angharad verch Gruffydd. Children of Gilbert Talbot and Anne le Botiler were: Sir Richard Talbot b abt 1302. Philippa Talbot b abt 1305; md Sir Philip de Clanvowe. Sir Richard Talbot b abt 1302, Wyke, Cornwall, England, d 23 Oct 1356. He md Elizabeth Comyn abt 1325, daughter of Sir John Comyn, Lord of Badenoch, and Joan de Valence. Child of Sir Richard Talbot and Elizabeth Comyn was: Sir Gilbert Talbot b abt 1332, Herefordshire, England, d 24 Apr 1387, Roales, Spain. He md Petronella Butler bef 8 Sep 1352, daughter of Sir James Butler, Earl of Ormonde, and Eleanor de Bohun. Children of Gilbert Talbot and Petronella Butler were: Elizabeth Talbot b abt 1354, of Herefordshire, England, d 10 Jan 1400/01; md Henry de Grey bef 1379. Sir Richard Talbot, Lord Talbot, b abt 1358. Sir Richard Talbot, Lord Talbot, b abt 1358, Blackmere, Cornwall, England, d abt 7 Sep 1396, London, Middlesex, England. He md Ankaret le Strange bef 23 Aug 1383, daughter of Sir John le Strange, Lord of Blackmere, and Isabel/Mary Fitzalan. Children of Richard Talbot and Ankaret le Strange were: Mary Talbot b abt 1382, d 13 Apr 1433, Hertfordshire, England. She md Sir Thomas Greene, Knight, abt 1397, son of Sir Thomas Greene and Margery Mablethorpe. Sir Gilbert Talbot, Lord Talbot, b 1383, d 19 Oct 1418, Rouen, France; md Joan Plantagenet abt 20 May 1392. Richard Talbot, Archbishop of Dublin, b abt 1385, d 15 Aug 1449. Anne Talbot b abt 1387, d 16 Jan 1439/40; md Hugh de Courtenay, Earl of Devon. Sir John Talbot, Earl of Shrewsbury, b 1390, of Shropshire, England, d 17 Jul 1453, Chastillon, France; md Margaret de Beauchamp abt 1414. SOURCES: CP: Vol XII/1[606-617]; AR: Line 8[33], Line 84A[29-31], Line 95[31-32].

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Richard Talbot, II's Timeline

1122
1122
Linton, Herefordshire, England
1150
1150
Linton, Herfordshire, England
1174
1174
Age 52
Bromyard, Herefordshire, , England
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Rosenhohe Mausoleum B. Darmstadt, Striknb, Hesse-Darmstadt