Margaret Montague

Not the same as Margaret Malthouse, daughter of John Malthouse & Margaret Malthouse

Margaret Malthouse

• Born 1532 in Binfield, Berkshire, England
• Father: John Malthouse of Binfield
• Mother: unknown
• Marriage 1: Thomas Grove, 3 Jul 1552.
  • Children: Anne Grove, b. 13 Nov 1554, Binfield, Berkshire, England.
• Marriage 2: William Montague. "The marriage record for William and Margaret reads: 'William Mowntegewe and Margareta Groffe'."

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Family

William Montague was born in 1536 at Boveney, Berkshire, England and died on 20 March 1593/94 at Boveney, Berkshire, England. He was the son of Robert Montague and Margaret Catton of Warville, Berkshire, England.

Married on 27 May 1560 in Dorney, Buckinghamshire, England to Margaret Malthaus of Pynfield,Berkshire, England. She was born 1531/2 in Binfield, Berkshire, England, the daughter of John Malthous (b. 1506), and married first to Thomas Grove on 3 Jul 1552 in Binfield, Berkshire, England.

Children of William Montague and Margaret Malthouse:

1. Robert Montague was christened 24 Mar 1561 in Dorney, Buckinghamshire, England. He died Dec 1574 in Burnham, Buckinghamshire, England and was buried 26 Dec 1574 in Burnham, Buckinghamshire, England. [fn1]
2. William Montague, of Boveney, was christened 18 Apr 1562 in Burnham, Buckinghamshire, England. He died after 2 Oct 1640. [fn2]
3. Sarah Montague was christened 3 Jan 1563 in Burnham, Buckinghamshire, England. She died Feb 1564 in Burnham, Buckinghamshire, England and was buried 22 Feb 1564 in Dorney, Buckinghamshire, England. [fn1]
4. Elizabeth Montague was christened 24 Jun 1565 in Burnham, Buckinghamshire, England. [fn1]
5. George Montague was christened 14 Sep 1567 and died Sep 1640. He married Susan, daughter of .... Norris. [fn3]
6. Anne Montague was born 1570 in Burnham, Buckinghamshire, England. She married 1st, Edward Smith and 2nd, Daniel Ballard. [fn4]
7. Peter Montague was born 1573 and died 16 Mar 1637/38. He married Ellen Allen of Burnham to become the parents of Peter Montague of Virginia. [fn5]

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Identity

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Malthouse-2

Margaret Malthouse was named by her son William in the Visitation of Buckinghamshire, 1634 as the daughter of John Malthouse of Binfield, Berkshire.[1] Based on this she is sometimes made to be a daughter of John Malthouse and Margaret Bullock. This is clearly incorrect and chronologically impossible. John and Margaret Malthouse had a daughter Margaret baptized on 15 February 1558/9, well after this Margaret was first married!

https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/collaborate/MTQS-W5M

Tina Siler found these notes from another genealogist on the internet:

The prior conclusion that Margaret Malthouse, wife of William Montague of Boveney, Burnham, Buckinghamshire, Eng. was the daughter of John Malthouse and his wife Margaret Bullock is proven invalid.

Per Myrtle S. Hyde's research into the "English Origins of Peter and Richard Montague", published in the New England History and Genealogy quarterly "Register" 1988, Vol 142, pgs 149-164. In the 1634 Visitation of Buckinghamshire, the pedigree indicates that Margaret Malthouse, the wife of William Montague of Boveney, was a widow when she married William in 1560. A search was made in the parish registers of Binfield, Berkshire, the residence attributed to Margaret by the visitation. Here, in 1552 Margaret Malthouse married a man by the name of Thomas Grove. From the parish register, "1552, Thomas Groffe (Grove) & Margerit Malthus were maried the iij(3rd) daie of Julye." The name "Groffe" then is actually Grove, and indeed Margaret's maiden name was Malthous. The Binfield parish registers can be viewed on the LDS microfilm (reel-088220) Margaret and her husband Thomas Grove had a daughter named Anne, baptized 13, Nov. 1554 at Binfield, and shortley prior to 1558 they moved to Dorney, the neighboring district to Boveney. Thomas Grove wrote his will dated Oct. 28, 1558, the will was probated 26, January 1558/9 (PCC, 23 Welles) Abstracts of the will of Thomas Grove are as follows:

"Thomas Grove of Dorney, Countye Buck, yeoman, to be buryed in the churche of Burneham; all my landes and tenements frehoulds, as well in the parishes of Dorney and Boveney in the countye of Buck as in the paryshes of Newe Wyndsor and Cluwer in the Countye of Berk, unto Anne Grove my daughter, and unto the seyd Anne all those my free holde lands called Lamberdes in the parishe of Burneham wytheall the woods there on groweinge, and to her heyres for ever",

there are other gifts to his eldest brother William, and to his nephew William Grove of the parishe of Wargrove. The will stated that if Anne Grove died without issue, the estate was to pass to the nephew William, son of William Grove of Wargrove. Then the will states that, "The resydue of all my goodes and cattalls unto Margarett my wyef, whom I ordayne Executryx" William Grove named his brother William, his nephew William and a man named Rychard Watlington to be the overseers of his will. 

Margaret (Malthouse) Grove remained a widow with a little daughter for only fourteen months before she married William Montague in 1560. In 1565 Anne Grove, daughter of Margaret Malthouse and step daughter of William Montague died, was buried 16th of August in 1565 at Burnham churche. The estate of Thomas Grove passed by the terms of his will to his nephew William, and this included the estate called Lamberdes in Burnham Parish.

When William Montague married Margaret (Malthouse) Grove, he moved into Lamberdes with her and her daughter Anne. Soon after the marriage, the estate came to be called "Mountagues Lambards". William Grove continued to allow William Montague and his Aunt Margaret to reside at Lambards, when he died his will dated 27 January 1579/80 and probated 12 February 1579/80 (PCC,6 Arundell) left his estate including "Mountague's Lambarde" to a nephew, with the following description attached:

"whearof ther is of meade grounde seaven acres of errable ground, neintene acres and these twoe parcelles be in Dorneye and Bovney in the Countie of Bucks and nowe bene in the Tenure and occupacon of Will'm Mountegewe and Margarete his wife or the one of them, and Fourtie acres of Woodgrounde beinge more or lesse called Lamberdes in the parishe of Burnham, letten by the yearlie rente of Twentie sixe shillinges eight pence, which rente I appointe that Margery my said wife shall receive." 

William Montague must have purchased part of this property, because on 24th of June 1606, several years after his death, the following was included in the will of one Thomas Eyre of East Burnham, gentleman, proved 5 May 1607 (PCC,40 Huddleston),

"all those other closes of arrable pasture & woods called Montagues Lambards whiche I lately purchased of Willyam Mountague within the parish of Burnhame Fortye Acres".

William Montague left no will, and Margaret (Malthouse) probably predeceased him, as administration of his estate was grated to their son William on 20 March 1594/5 (PCC,Admons. 1595,fo.128) 

The Margaret Malthouse who has a royal descent through her mother, Margaret Bullock, was baptized in Binfield, in 1558/9, and could therefore not be the Margaret Malthouse who married William Montague in 1560, as she would have only been a year old. Margaret Malthouse the wife of William Montague already had a daughter by her first husband, Thomas Grove, by 1554, which would place her date of birth at approximately 1536 or 1538 at the very least. 

That there were two Margaret Malthouse, with fathers both named John in Binfield, is indeed a mystery. But chronology alone, rules out Margaret the wife of William Montague as the Margaret Malthouse whose parents were John Malthouse and Margaret Bullock. All the accessible records indicate that there is no connection between the two Margaret Malthous', but further investigation may prove otherwise.

Research notes

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Malthouse-2

The web page, “The Hissem-Montague Family”, created by Steven Hissem [10], has an entry for William Montague, born 1536. That entry includes the following statement which contains information from John Orlebar Payne’s book Collections for a History of the Family of Malthus(11) and from the NEHGR article "The English Origin of Peter and Richard Montague," by Myrtle Stevens Hyde. (12)......

" Margaret's son William stated that her father was "John Malthous of Bynfield in Com Bucks. (Berks.)," and William undoubtedly knew his grandfather's name. John Orlebar Payne (Collections for a History of the Family of Malthus [London, 1890], claims that the Margaret baptized 15 February 1558/9 at Binfield, daughter of John Malthous, was the wife of William Montague. Payne's source was not a Malthous document, but rather the 1634 visitation pedigree of Mountague. Margaret Malthous born 1558/9 has a royal descent through her mother (see Register 141 [1987]:106-107). The Margaret Malthous who married William Montague, however, was married first in 1552, long before another Margaret, daughter of a John, was baptized in 1559. Malthous wills have been read in an effort to identify John, the father-in-law of William Montague, but the quest has been unsuccessful. "

There was a Margaret Malthouse who was baptized on 15 Feb 1558, who was the daughter of a John Malthouse, and Payne states on Page 47 of his book, “Margaret, the da. of John and Margaret Malthus who was bapt. at Binfield in 1558, afterwards married William Montagu, of Boveney, in the parish of Burnham, co. Bucks.”(2) With additional information provided by the NEHGR article stating that the Margaret Malthouse had first married Thomas Grove on 3 July 1552 and then married William Montague on 27 May 1560 (as Margaret Grove), it becomes clear that the Margaret Malthouse baptized in 1558 was NOT the Matrgaret Malthouse who married to William Montague.in 1560.

The NEHGR article correctly revised an incorrect assumption made by Payne, but once Payne’s theory had been accurately disproven by Myrtle Stevens Hyde, she continued her study concerning the Montague family, with little more said concerning the Malthouse family.

Resolved issues

 /!\ PLZ source for born 	"15 Feb 1550" 

/!\ since then the notes say marriage 1552, and a daughter in 1554 -_- 

/!\   https://www.genealogieonline.nl/en/mead-family-tree/P2708.php /!\ 

(profile updated and corrected 22 September 2024)

• this her husband Thomas Montague (1577-1596) is not Wikitree son of Sir Edward Montagu, MP & Elizabeth Montagu /!\
  • their daughter Elizabeth Burr (1592-1626) is not Wikitree wife of Sir Richard Burr, Lord of Holm Lanedale /!\

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References

1. https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Malthouse-2
2. https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/collaborate/MTQS-W5M
   1. The Montague Family Homepage has Margaret b. abt. 1550.
   2. MONTAGUE GENEAL, BY GEO. W. AND WM. L. MONTAGUE MALTHOUSE FM. BY JOHN O. PAINE
3. WikiTree contributors, "Margaret (Malthouse) Montague (abt.1533-)," WikiTree: The Free Family Tree, (https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Malthouse-2 : accessed 23 September 2024). Note: as of 23 Sept 2024, Wikitree shows the wrong parents.
   1. Rylands, W. Harry ed. Visitation of the County of Buckingham made in 1634. (London: Harleian Society Visitation Series, vol. 58, 1909): pages 92-93.
   2. Montague family history as found at Montague Source list:
   3. New England Historical and Genealogical Register, volume 142 no. 2 (April 1988): pages 149-164. "The English Origin of Peter and Richard Montague," by Myrtle Stevens Hyde. AmericanAncestors.org < link >
   4. New England Historical and Genealogical Register, vol. 141 no. 2. (April 1987): page 107. "Immigrants to New England for Whom Royal Descent Has Been Proved, Virtually Proved, Improved, or Disproved Since About 1960: A Bibliographical Survey", by Gary Boyd Roberts. AmericanAncestors.org < link >; (document attached)
   5. Rylands, W. Harry ed. Visitation of the County of Buckingham made in 1634. (London: Harleian Society Visitation Series, vol. 58, 1909): pages 92-93.
   6. Rylands, W. Harry ed. Four Visitations of Berkshire taken in 1532, 1566, 1623 and 1665-6, vol. I. (London: Harleian Society Visitation Series, vol. 56, 1907): page 4; page 19. Internet Archive link; Google Books link.
   7. Montague, George William . History and Genealogy of the Montague Family of America, (Amherst, 1886): Internet Archive link.
   8. History & Genealogy of the Montague Family of America, by George & William Montague, 1886 as found at 1
   9. Montague family history as found at Montague
   10. Find a Grave (graveyard listed and obviously catalogued, but no picture) as found at [2]
   11. Geneagraphie record for Margaret Malthouse