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• "father of Robert FitzJohn de Lacy, of Flamburgh - connection must be made by a curator due to locks on this profile." <— Note RE whoever entered this note: Primary source evidence needed to prove it.

Medlands (1 March 2025): English Lords T–Z

• 1. JOHN (-11 Oct 1183). A manuscript history of the Lacy family names “Johannes constabularium Cestriæ…et Robertum hospitalarem” as the sons of “Richardus constabularius Cestriæ” and his wife, adding that John founded “domus de Stanlaw…in Wirall in comitatu Cestriæ” in 1168 and was killed on Crusade “V Id Oct 1183”[502]. Constable of Chester. “Johannes constabularius Cestrie” confirmed donations made by “Eustachii filii Johannis avi mei et uxoris illius Agnetis avie mee” to the nuns of Watton by charter dated to [1175/90], witnessed by “…Rogero [filio] constabulario Cestrie…”[503]. '
• m ALICE, daughter of [ROGER FitzRichard Lord of Warkworth] & his wife Adelisa de Vere of the Earls of Oxford. A manuscript history of the Lacy family names “Aliciam Vere uxorem Willielmi Mandevill” as the wife of “Johannes constabularium Cestriæ”, son of “Richardus constabularius Cestriæ”[504]. Her parentage is clarified by the Rotuli de Dominabus of 1185 records property “Arenho” held by her mother “Alicia de Essex…amita comitis Willelmi et soror comitis Albrici”, adding that she had “ii filios milites et i filiam maritatam Johanni Constabulario Cestrie”[505]. It is assumed that the reference to “Willielmi Mandevill” is somehow truncated and that he was not Alice’s first husband. He would in fact have been Alice’s first cousin, son of her maternal aunt. The source, however, only confirms the name of Alice’s mother. According to Domesday Descendants, Alice was the daughter of Adelisa de Vere by her second husband, Roger FitzRichard Lord of Warkworth[506]. The primary source on which this statement is based has not been identified. Until the question is further clarified, Alice’s father is shown above in square brackets.
• John & his wife had [four or more] children:
  • a) ROGER (-1211, bur Stanlow Priory)....
  • b) EUSTACHE….
  • c) RICHARD (-bur Norton) ….
  • d) another child or children….

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He was never known as "de Lacy". His mother inherited the Lacy estates from her cousin after his death.

John de Lacy (1150, Lincoln, – 1190, Palestine) was the father of Baron Roger de Lacy. He was Lord of Flamborough [not true] and Constable of Chester. The son of Richard FitzEustace. He was a Governor in Ireland for Henry II. Being a patron of science, he maintained an astronomer at Halton Castle. He founded a Cistercian monastery at Stanlow.[9] In 1190 he granted the second known charter for a ferry at Runcorn Gap. He served with Richard I in the Third Crusade and died at the siege of Tyre.[11] From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barony_of_Halton#6_John_FitzRichard:

6 John FitzRichard (1171-1190)

The son of Richard FitzEustace. He was a Governor in Ireland for Henry II. Being a patron of science, he maintained an astronomer at Halton Castle. He founded a Cistercian monastery at Stanlow. In 1190 he granted the second known charter for a ferry at Runcorn Gap. He served with Richard I in the Third Crusade and died at the siege of Tyre.

NOTE: According to Wikipedia, his son was the one who adopted the de Lacy surname.

Roger Fitzrichard who was the founder of the Priory of Langley in Norfolk

He then married Albreda, daughter of Robert de Lissours and granddaughter to Robert de Lacy. (Lord of Pontefract who is my first cousin 30 times removed).

They had three children

• John (who was a de Lacy from his mathernal side),
• Roger (Lord of Warkworth Manor) and
• Aubrey, who married Henry Bisset

Burials
The distance between Tyre and Chester is 3659 miles or 5888 kilometers. Find A Grave states:

"The son of Richard FitzEustace. He was a Governor in Ireland for Henry II. Being a patron of science, he maintained an astronomer at Halton Castle. He founded the Cistercian monastery at Stanlow. In 1190 he granted the second known charter for a ferry at Runcorn Gap. Married Alice de Vere. He served with Richard I in the Third Crusade and died at the siege of Tyre, Palestine. His body was buried at Tyre, but his heart was returned to Stanlaw."

John FitzRichard De Lacy
Birth 1150
England
Death 1190 (aged 39'9640)
Israel
Burial
Stanlow Abbey (ruins)
Ellesmere Port, Cheshire West and Chester Unitary Authority, Cheshire, England
Plot
de Lacy vaults
Memorial ID 111113666

Family Members
Children

Roger de Lacy
1172'961212