Herbert IV de Vermandois, son of Adalbert and Gerberga

This Heribert (Herbert) is commonly known as Herbert III but is numbered as Herbert IV in the FMG MedLands database. He is the son of Adalbert (Albert) I and Gerberga.

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HERIBERT [IV] ([954]-29 Aug [993]). A list of members of the Cathedral of Paris lists (in order) "Albertus comes, Girberga comitissa, Harbertus, Otto, Lewultus, Girbertus, Gondrada, Ricardus, Harbertus comes…", the first four individuals named apparently being Comte Albert, his wife and three sons, and the last named maybe his brother or nephew[1335]. Héribert [IV] succeeded his father in 987 as Comte de Vermandois. m (before [982/86]%29 [as her first husband,] ERMENGARDIS, daughter of ---. "Comes Heribertus" names "materque mea Pavia…pater meus Otto, eius genitrix, avia mea Ermengardis" donated property to Notre-Dame de Homblières by charter dated [13 Jan/13 Oct] 1045[1336]. According to Ernest Petit[1337], Ermengardis was the widow of Milo [IV] Comte de Tonnerre. The author highlights a charter of Ermengardis Ctss de Vermandois witnessed by Renaud Comte de Tonnerre. He suggests that Comte Renaud would only have done this if he were the son of Ermengardis, although other explanations must be possible. Settipani points out[1338] that Ermengardis is named as the wife of Héribert [IV] in a document of her father-in-law Albert [I] Comte de Vermandois, relating to the abbey of Homblières, dated some time between 982 and the death of Comte Albert (in 987). If the two marriages apply to the same Ermengardis, Comte Héribert must have been her first husband and Comte Milon her second. However, it is not clear that this suggested co-identity is correct, a simpler explanation being that there were two different individuals named Ermengardis. Ernest Petit also suggests[1339] that Ermengardis (wife of Comte Milon) was heiress of Bar-sur-Seine, in order to explain how her granddaughter by Comte Milon, Eustachie, transmitted this county to her husband Gauthier de Brienne. He identified the father of Ermengardis as "Renaud Comte de Bar-sur-Seine" based on two charters, which he dated to 992 and 997, which name "Rainardus comes" whom he identifies with Rainard, son of miles Raoul de Bar, who is mentioned in the Chronicle of St Bénigne[1340]. There appears to be no other evidence of the existence of this person, and Bouchard[1341] points out that the dating of the two charters in question is uncertain. She suggests that it is more likely that "Rainardus" is identified with Renaud Comte de Sens or with "Rainaldus" son of Ermengardis. This of course leaves open the question how Bar-sur-Seine was transmitted to the Tonnerre family. Comte Heribert [IV] & his wife had two children:

a) ALBERT [II] ([985/90]-[1 Feb 1015/1017]). The Gesta Episcoporum Cameracensium names "Alberto Vermandensi comiti, fratri Ottonis"[1342]. He succeeded his father in [1000] as Comte de Vermandois. He abdicated before 15 Jul 1010[1343].

b) EUDES [Otto] ([985/90]-25 May 1045). He succeeded in [1021] as Comte de Vermandois.

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Herbert III, Comte de Vermandois (1) M, #102448, d. 993 Last Edited=30 May 2009

    Herbert III, Comte de Vermandois was the son of Albert I, Comte de Vermandois and Gerberge de Lotharingie.2 He married Eadgifu (?), daughter of Eadweard I, King of Wessex and Ælflæd (?), circa 951 at Saint-Quentin, Aisne, France.1 He died in 993.1

    Herbert III, Comte de Vermandois gained the title of Comte de Meaux. He gained the title of Comte de Troyes. He gained the title of Comte de Vermandois.1 Children of Herbert III, Comte de Vermandois and Eadgifu (?) -1. Stephen de Vermandois (1) b. c 952 -2. Agnes de Vermandois (1) b. 953

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Herbert III, Comte de Vermandois (1) M, #102448, d. 993 Last Edited=30 May 2009

    Herbert III, Comte de Vermandois was the son of Albert I, Comte de Vermandois and Gerberge de Lotharingie. (2) He married Eadgifu (?), daughter of Eadweard I, King of Wessex and Ælflæd (?), circa 951 at Saint-Quentin, Aisne, France. (1)  He died in 993. (1)

    Herbert III, Comte de Vermandois gained the title of Comte de Meaux. He gained the title of Comte de Troyes. He gained the title of Comte de Vermandois. (1) Children of Herbert III, Comte de Vermandois and Eadgifu (?) -1. Stephen de Vermandois (1) b. c 952 -2. Agnes de Vermandois (1) b. 953

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Herbert III, Count of Vermandois From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Herbert III of Vermandois (953 – 1015), Count of Vermandois, was the son of Adalbert I of Vermandois and Gerberge of Lorraine.He married Ermengard of Bar (946 – after 1035), but his first two children were by Eadgifu of England, daughter of Edward I "The Elder"; widow of Charles III "The Simple" (per Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America Before 1700 by Frederick Lewis Weis, Line 50-20).

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8. HERBERT (IV) (COMTE) DE VERMANDOIS, b. 955, d. Aug 29, 997, m. Ermengarde de Bar, b. 965 Bourgogne, Marne, France, d. 1018

Herbert (V) de Vermandois, b. 977

Eudes (I) de Vermandois, b. 979

Albert (II) Comte de Vermandois, b. 985, d. Feb 01, 1015

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This Heribert (Herbert) is commonly known as Herbert III but is numbered as Herbert IV in the FMG MedLands database. He is the son of Adalbert (Albert) I and Gerberga.

http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/NORTHERN%20FRANCE.htm

HERIBERT [IV] ([954]-29 Aug [993]). A list of members of the Cathedral of Paris lists (in order) "Albertus comes, Girberga comitissa, Harbertus, Otto, Lewultus, Girbertus, Gondrada, Ricardus, Harbertus comes…", the first four individuals named apparently being Comte Albert, his wife and three sons, and the last named maybe his brother or nephew[1335]. Héribert [IV] succeeded his father in 987 as Comte de Vermandois. m (before [982/86]%29 [as her first husband,] ERMENGARDIS, daughter of ---. "Comes Heribertus" names "materque mea Pavia…pater meus Otto, eius genitrix, avia mea Ermengardis" donated property to Notre-Dame de Homblières by charter dated [13 Jan/13 Oct] 1045[1336]. According to Ernest Petit[1337], Ermengardis was the widow of Milo [IV] Comte de Tonnerre. The author highlights a charter of Ermengardis Ctss de Vermandois witnessed by Renaud Comte de Tonnerre. He suggests that Comte Renaud would only have done this if he were the son of Ermengardis, although other explanations must be possible. Settipani points out[1338] that Ermengardis is named as the wife of Héribert [IV] in a document of her father-in-law Albert [I] Comte de Vermandois, relating to the abbey of Homblières, dated some time between 982 and the death of Comte Albert (in 987). If the two marriages apply to the same Ermengardis, Comte Héribert must have been her first husband and Comte Milon her second. However, it is not clear that this suggested co-identity is correct, a simpler explanation being that there were two different individuals named Ermengardis. Ernest Petit also suggests[1339] that Ermengardis (wife of Comte Milon) was heiress of Bar-sur-Seine, in order to explain how her granddaughter by Comte Milon, Eustachie, transmitted this county to her husband Gauthier de Brienne. He identified the father of Ermengardis as "Renaud Comte de Bar-sur-Seine" based on two charters, which he dated to 992 and 997, which name "Rainardus comes" whom he identifies with Rainard, son of miles Raoul de Bar, who is mentioned in the Chronicle of St Bénigne[1340]. There appears to be no other evidence of the existence of this person, and Bouchard[1341] points out that the dating of the two charters in question is uncertain. She suggests that it is more likely that "Rainardus" is identified with Renaud Comte de Sens or with "Rainaldus" son of Ermengardis. This of course leaves open the question how Bar-sur-Seine was transmitted to the Tonnerre family. Comte Heribert [IV] & his wife had two children:

a) ALBERT [II] ([985/90]-[1 Feb 1015/1017]). The Gesta Episcoporum Cameracensium names "Alberto Vermandensi comiti, fratri Ottonis"[1342]. He succeeded his father in [1000] as Comte de Vermandois. He abdicated before 15 Jul 1010[1343].

b) EUDES [Otto] ([985/90]-25 May 1045). He succeeded in [1021] as Comte de Vermandois.

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Herbert III, Comte de Vermandois (1) M, #102448, d. 993 Last Edited=30 May 2009

Herbert III, Comte de Vermandois was the son of Albert I, Comte de Vermandois and Gerberge de Lotharingie.2 He married Eadgifu (?), daughter of Eadweard I, King of Wessex and Ælflæd (?), circa 951 at Saint-Quentin, Aisne, France.1 He died in 993.1 Herbert III, Comte de Vermandois gained the title of Comte de Meaux. He gained the title of Comte de Troyes. He gained the title of Comte de Vermandois.1 Children of Herbert III, Comte de Vermandois and Eadgifu (?) -1. Stephen de Vermandois (1) b. c 952 -2. Agnes de Vermandois (1) b. 953

Forrás / Source: http://www.thepeerage.com/p10245.htm#i102448 -------------------- Herbert III, Comte de Vermandois (1) M, #102448, d. 993 Last Edited=30 May 2009

Herbert III, Comte de Vermandois was the son of Albert I, Comte de Vermandois and Gerberge de Lotharingie. (2) He married Eadgifu (?), daughter of Eadweard I, King of Wessex and Ælflæd (?), circa 951 at Saint-Quentin, Aisne, France. (1) He died in 993. (1)

Herbert III, Comte de Vermandois gained the title of Comte de Meaux. He gained the title of Comte de Troyes. He gained the title of Comte de Vermandois. (1) Children of Herbert III, Comte de Vermandois and Eadgifu (?) -1. Stephen de Vermandois (1) b. c 952 -2. Agnes de Vermandois (1) b. 953

Forrás / Source: http://www.thepeerage.com/p10245.htm#i102448 -------------------- Herbert III, Count of Vermandois From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Herbert III of Vermandois (953 – 1015), Count of Vermandois, was the son of Adalbert I of Vermandois and Gerberge of Lorraine.He married Ermengard of Bar (946 – after 1035), but his first two children were by Eadgifu of England, daughter of Edward I "The Elder"; widow of Charles III "The Simple" (per Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America Before 1700 by Frederick Lewis Weis, Line 50-20). -------------------- 8. HERBERT (IV) (COMTE) DE VERMANDOIS, b. 955, d. Aug 29, 997, m. Ermengarde de Bar, b. 965 Bourgogne, Marne, France, d. 1018

Herbert (V) de Vermandois, b. 977

Eudes (I) de Vermandois, b. 979

Albert (II) Comte de Vermandois, b. 985, d. Feb 01, 1015

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