Gwriad ap Elidir

See Peter Bartrum, https://www.geni.com/documents/view?doc_id=6000000173393063941 (February 6, 2023; Anne Brannen, curator)

Please see Darrell Wolcott: The Royal Family of Powys - Nest ferch Cadell ap Brochwel; http://www.ancientwalesstudies.org/id12.html. (Steven Ferry, October 13, 2019.)

Please see Darrell Wolcott: Cadafael Ynfyd of Cydewain; http://www.ancientwalesstudies.org/id150.html. (Steven Ferry, July 10, 2020.)

Please see Darrell Wolcott: Early Ceredigion and its Rulers; http://www.ancientwalesstudies.org/id158.html. (Steven Ferry, September 11, 2020.)

Please see Darrell Wolcott: Harleian Ms 3859; http://www.ancientwalesstudies.org/id129.html. (Steven Ferry, March 8, 2021.)

Please see Darrell Wolcott: "Bartrum's Pedigrees of the Welsh Tribal Patriarchs" - #26 - Geraint of Pentraeth; http://www.ancientwalesstudies.org/id256.html. (Steven Ferry, March 15, 2021.)

Please see Darrell Wolcott: Bartrum's "Pedigrees of the Welsh Tribal Patriarchs" #30 - Cilmin Droed Ddu; http://www.ancientwalesstudies.org/id260.html. (Steven Ferry, March 16, 2021.)

Please see Darrell Wolcott: Cynan Dindaethwy - Furter Notes; http://www.ancientwalesstudies.org/id307.html (Steven Ferry, October 21, 2022.)

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Gwriad ap Elidyr (English: Gwriad son of Elidyr) or Gwriad Manaw was a late-8th century figure in Great Britain. Very little is known of him, and he chiefly appears in the historical record in connection to his son Merfyn Frych, King of Gwynedd from around 825 to 844 and founder of the Merfynion dynasty.

Almost nothing is known about Gwriad's background. He married Esyllt ferch Cynan, daughter of Cynan Dindaethwy, King of Gwynedd. Their son Merfyn Frych later became the first king of Gwynedd known not to have come from the dynasty of its founder Cunedda. Merfyn evidently claimed the throne through his mother rather than through Gwriad, and bolstered this atypical matrilineal claim through his own power and reputation.[1][2] According to the genealogies from Jesus College MS 20, Gwriad was the son of a certain Elidyr and was a descendant of Llywarch Hen and Coel Hen, rulers from the Hen Ogledd or "Old North", the Brittonic-speaking parts of what is now southern Scotland and northern England.[2][3] The bardic poetry indicates that Merfyn was "from the land of Manaw", a Brittonic place name applied to several districts, including Manaw Gododdin, the area around the Firth of Forth. This locale in the Hen Ogledd would be consistent with Gwriad's descent from Llywarch's northern lineage.[4] An origin in Manaw Gododdin was supported by scholars such as William Forbes Skene and John Edward Lloyd.[5]

Other scholars connect Gwriad to the Isle of Man, known in Welsh as Ynis Manaw rather than Manaw Gododdin, especially following the 1896 discovery of an 8th- or 9th-century cross on Man inscribed Crux Guriat ("Cross of Gwriad").[5][6] Lloyd wrote that this discovery "undoubtedly strengthens the case" for a Manx origin.[5] John Rhys suggested that Gwriad may have taken refuge on the Isle of Man during the bloody dynastic struggle in Gwynedd between Cynan Dindaethwy and Hywel prior to Merfyn's accession to the throne.[7] Still other locations for "Manaw" have been suggested, including Ireland, Galloway and Powys.[1]

Name: GWRIAD AP ELIDYR af Man

Sex: M

Birth: Between 738 and 750 CE

Death: 825 CE in , , Wales 1

Change Date: 13 Jan 2009 at 01:51

Note: Alias: Ap Elidir/, Gwiard of Deheubarth

Father: ELIDIR AP SANDDE b: Abt 720 CE

Mother: CELEMION FERCH TUDWAL b: Abt 720 CE

Marriage 1 Essylt ferch Cynan b: Bet 750 and 770 CE in Caer Seiont, Carnarvonshire, Wales

Married:

Change Date: 13 Jan 2009

Children

Merfyn The Freckled Ap Gwriad b: Bet 765 and 784 CE in , , Wales

Marriage 2 Nesta Ferch Cadell b: Abt 742 CE in Powys, Montgomery, Wales

Married:

Change Date: 13 Jan 2009

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Name: Gwriad Ap Elidir Of Man Sex: M

Birth: ABT 738 1

Death: ABT 825 1

Father: Elidir Ap Sandde b: ABT 708

Marriage 1 Esyllt Verch Cynan Of Gwynedd b: ABT 770 in Caer Seiont, Carnarvonshire, Wales

Children

Merfyn Ap Geriad "Freckled" King Of Gwynedd b: ABT 784

Gwriad ab Elidyr,

b. circa 750, d. 825

Father Elidyr ap Sandde, Brenin Ynys Manau1,3 b. circa 720

Mother Celemion verch Tudwal o Ynys Manau1,3 b. circa 720

Gwriad ab Elidyr, Brenin Ynys Manau was a witness where Brenin Gwynedd Merfyn Frych ap Gwriad o ne Rheged the son of Gwriad ap Elidyr and heir to the lost Kingdom of South Rheged.1 Gwriad ab Elidyr, Brenin Ynys Manau was probably from the Isle of Man, and possibly the person named on an inscription ("CRUX GURIAT") on a cross in the Isle of Man which has been dated to the eighth or ninth century.4 He was nominally the King of Ynys Manaw (the Isle of Man) during the struggle against Norse and Danish settlement on the island.1 He was born circa 750 at Isle of Man, Wales.1 He was the son of Elidyr ap Sandde, Brenin Ynys Manau and Celemion verch Tudwal o Ynys Manau.1,3 Gwriad ab Elidyr, Brenin Ynys Manau married Esyllt ferch Cynan Dindaethwy, daughter of Cynan Dindaethwy ap Rhodri Molwynog, Brenin Gwynedd and Matilda of Flint, before 764.5 Gwriad ab Elidyr, Brenin Ynys Manau died in 825.2

Family

Esyllt ferch Cynan Dindaethwy b. circa 770

Child

Brenin Gwynedd Merfyn Frych ap Gwriad o ne Rheged+ b. c 764, d. 8441,4

Citations

[S266] EBK, online http://freespace.virgin.net/david.ford2/…

[S278] DfAdam, online unknown url, The Line of Coel Hen Godebog, 82.

[S483] Stewart Baldwin, Llywelyn ap Iorwerth's ancestors in "Baldwin-Llywelyn," listserve message Dec 1998, The genealogy which purports to make Gwriad a direct male-line descendant of Llywarch Hen is almost certainly a late fabrication. It is more likely that his paternal ancestors were among those who are named in HG.4, but the exact line of descent (if any) is uncertain, and Gwriad's parentage must be regarded as unknown..

[S483] Stewart Baldwin, Llywelyn ap Iorwerth's ancestors in "Baldwin-Llywelyn," listserve message Dec 1998.

[S278] DfAdam, online unknown url, The Line of Cunedda Wledig, 86.

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In the Isle of man there is a 9th century cross-slab commemorating Gwriad (a photo of it is in the book, 'The Oxford History of the British Monarchy'; pg. 9.).

Thought by some to be married to Nest verch Cadell

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Gwriad ap Elidyr (English: Gwriad son of Elidyr) or Gwriad Manaw was a late-8th century figure in Great Britain. Very little is known of him, and he chiefly appears in the historical record in connection to his son Merfyn Frych, King of Gwynedd from around 825 to 844 and founder of the Merfynion dynasty.

Background[edit]

Almost nothing is known about Gwriad's background. He married Esyllt ferch Cynan, daughter of Cynan Dindaethwy, King of Gwynedd. Their son Merfyn Frych later became the first king of Gwynedd known not to have come from the dynasty of its founder Cunedda. Merfyn evidently claimed the throne through his mother rather than through Gwriad, and bolstered this atypical matrilineal claim through his own power and reputation.[1][2] According to the genealogies from Jesus College MS 20, Gwriad was the son of a certain Elidyr and was a descendant of Llywarch Hen and Coel Hen, rulers from the Hen Ogledd or "Old North", the Brittonic-speaking parts of what is now southern Scotland and northern England.[2][3] The bardic poetry indicates that Merfyn was "from the land of Manaw", a Brittonic place name applied to several districts, including Manaw Gododdin, the area around the Firth of Forth. This locale in the Hen Ogledd would be consistent with Gwriad's descent from Llywarch's northern lineage.[4] An origin in Manaw Gododdin was supported by scholars such as William Forbes Skene and John Edward Lloyd.[5]

Other scholars connect Gwriad to the Isle of Man, known in Welsh as Ynis Manaw rather than Manaw Gododdin, especially following the 1896 discovery of an 8th- or 9th-century cross on man inscribed Crux Guriat ("Cross of Gwriad").[5][6] Lloyd wrote that this discovery "undoubtedly strengthens the case" for a Manx origin.[5] John Rhys suggested that Gwriad may have taken refuge on the Isle of Man during the bloody dynastic struggle in Gwynedd between Cynan Dindaethwy and Hywel prior to Merfyn's accession to the throne.[7] Still other locations for "Manaw" have been suggested, including Ireland, Galloway and Powys.[1]

Rhys further noted that the Welsh Triads mention a "Gwryat son of Gwryan in the North", counted among the "Three Kings who were the Sons of Strangers", which he suggests is a reference to the father of Merfyn.[7][8] However, this conflicts with the Jesus College MS 20 pedigree, in which Gwriad's father is Elidyr. James E. Fraser suggests that the Gwriad of the Triad is instead to be identified with the King Guret of Alt Clut recorded by the Annals of Ulster as dying in 658.[9]

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Name: Gwriad Ap Elidir Of Man King Of Gwynedd 1

Sex: M

Birth: ABT 738 1

Death: ABT 825 1

Father: Elidir Ap Sandde b: ABT 708

Marriage 1 Esyllt Verch Cynan Of Gwynedd b: ABT 770 in Caer Seiont, Carnarvonshire, Wales

Children

Merfyn Ap Geriad "Freckled" King Of Gwynedd b: ABT 784

Sources:

Title: JohnFaye (8 Jun 05).FTW

Repository:

Media: Other

Text: Date of Import: 27 Jun 2005

http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=jcrow&id=...

Sources

• Stewart Baldwin, "Esyllt's husband", GEN-MEDIEVAL-L, Oct. 7, 2001
• Jesus College MS 20:
  • "Rodri mawr m Meruyn vrych m Gwrhyat m Elidyr m sandef m Alcun m tegyth m Ceit m douc m Llewarch hen m Elidyr lydanwyn m Meirchawn m Gwrgust m Keneu m Coil hen. mal y mae vchot."
  • "Rodri mawr m meruyn m Guriat m Elidyr m Celenion merch tutwal tutclith m Anarawd gwalchcrwn m meruyn mawr m kyuyn m anllech m tutwawl m Run m Neidaon m senilth hael. Tryd hael or gogled. Senilth m Dingat m tutwawl m Edneuet m dunawt m Maxen wledic. val y mae vchot."
• Wikipedia: Gwriad ap Elidyr
• Wikipedia: Merfyn Frych