Gilbert II de Venables, 3rd Baron of Kinderton

The name of his parents are not known. Gilbert ll de Venables, baron, was the grandson of Gilbert Venator, 1st Baron of Kynderton

Gilbert Venables, grandson of the first Baron, married Margery, daughter of Walthew Fitz-Wolfric, with whom he had half of Marton in frank marriage, and by whom he had issue 6 sons and 2 daughters. His seal was a falcon sinister, regardant, which is appended to a charter, witnessed by Ormus de Davenport, and others whereby he grants lands.

Their children were: William, eldest son, Hugh, Gilbert, Michael, Robert, Hamon, Amabilia and Maud.

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Gilbert de Venables was noted in the records in 1086 and 1098. It is not clear what coat of arms Gilbert carried, however his seal was a falcon sinister regardant (falcon with his head looking backward, to the left of the shield bearer). He gave the advowson of the Church of Astbury to the Abbey of St. Werburge at Chester in 1098. His son is unknown, but in 1102 at Shrewsbury is Ulger Grosvenor, alias Ulger de Venables, with Roger de Nevil, and others. (The History and Antiquities of Shrewsbury: Vol. 1; Phillips) Gilbert de Venables’ grandson was Gilbert de Venables, Baron of Kinderton in the reign of Henry II.

This grandson, Gilbert, married Margery the daughter of Walthew, son of Wolfric, Lord of Hatton by whom he had halfe of Moxton near Gawesworth in ffrank-marriage.

According to Ormerod, Gilbert Venables … was the progenitor of numerous lines of the Venables family, of the Leghs of Booth, with their collateral branches, and the Meres of Mere; to which must be added with probability only not amounting to positive proof, the Leghs of West Hall, and with weaker, but still very strong probability, the Dones (Donnes), Leghs of East Hall, and Breretons. Also of this line were the Grosvenors, from gros venor (large hunter), and it would appear the Butlers of Chester, Barons of Warrington, who bore, or, a bend azure, differenced by the wheat sheaves of Chester.

Gilbert was the father of:

1. William de Venables,
2. Hamon de Legh,
3. Gilbert de Lymme,
4. Michael de Merston,
5. Richard de Neubold,
6. Hugh de Venables,
7. Maud and
8. Amabile.

The third baron, died in 1188.

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Gilbert was the father of: William de Venables, Hamon de Legh, Gilbert de Lymme, Michael de Merston, Richard de Neubold, Hugh de Venables, Maud and Amabile. The third baron, died in 1188.

the Cheshire palatinate

In mediaeval times, Cheshire occupied a unique place among the English counties: The sole justification for the enormous powers given to the Earl of the Cheshire palatinate lay in the need for constant warfare, offensive and defensive, against the Welsh. The line of the earls of Chester became extinct in 1237, and the great fief escheated to the king [Henry III]. In 1253, he bestowed it upon his son, Edward I, and from that date the earldom of Cheshire, a region of about a thousand square miles, remained in royal hands. Ibid., pp. 2, 3.

The earldom of Chester was distinguished clearly from the kingdom of England. .. . . Men felt it stood between Wales and England, being part of neither.

"He and his army returned to England," wrote a Welsh chronicler, of the departure of Henry lI from Cheshire. . . . Even after being granted to Edward by Henry III, it was not yet merged into England. Throughout the Middle Ages, it retained much of its distinct system of government. The men of Cheshire fought in Scotland, the knights and men of Cheshire fought in France, but the original purpose of the palatinate was not forgotten. Military service was still defined in terms of wars in Wales, and Cheshire knights were under no obligation to serve "Beyond the Lyme," roughly translated as the eastern boundary of Cheshire." Ibid., p. 7.

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Notes

Arms: Azure, two bars, sable. Crest: On a wreath, a w yvern Argent pierced with an arrow, headed Or and feathere d Ag. a child proper Armed, Or and standing on a weir, Arge nt, banded, Azure. Venables, a baronial name from Venable s near Evereux in Normandy, France.

The family does not appear under this name in Normandy, it s proper name being le Venour or Venatori, so named from the office of Veneur or Venator derived from Vanabulum, a hunting spear, or more properly a boar spear, which reflects his origin. Being from a line of hereditary huntsmen or Vene ro of the Norman Dukes.

Gislebert Venator or de Venables was one of three brothers who came to England with Hugh Lupus, first Earl of Cheshire, Eng. He was ancestor of the Barons of Kinderton, of whom Gislebert Venables of Cheshire is mentioned in 1180 as Gislebert Venator of Normandy, proving the connection between the English and French Venables.

Many of the Cheshire gentry families have a connection with the Venables of Kinderton and they were the ancestors of many of the branches of the Legh and Leigh families through John Venables son of William de Venables and Agnes de Legh, who changed his name to Legh. This family came over from Normandy and are first recorded in England in 1086. Gilbert de Venables was one of the eight barons appointed by the Earl of Chester.

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• (Dav. Gen.) Second Baron of Kinderton. Wife only named as Margaret. No dates given for this family nor their two named ch.: Wm. & Amabilia.
• (LDS) Names wife, gives dates, names all given children with dates. Amabil's is obviously incorrect.
• (Ormerod) Baron of Kynderton, he died during the reign of Henry II. Grandson of Gilbert de Venables, grantee of Kinderton.
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• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilbert_de_Venables “He was the first baron of Kinderton and the progenitor of the English de Venables family; his grandson Gilbert II de Venables also held the title of Baron of Kinderton.[1]

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