Emmissa de Valenciennes, “comitissa” [de Valenciennes]

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Emmissa de Valenciennes (de Ribemont), “comitissa” [de Valenciennes]

Birthdate:
Death: after 1143
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Daughter of Isaac, châtelain de Valenciennes and Mathilde N.N.
Wife of Roger II de Wavrin; Fastre de Fossé and Godfried van Aarschot
Sister of Berthe de Valenciennes

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About Emmissa de Valenciennes, “comitissa” [de Valenciennes]

-http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/nfracado.htm#EmmissaValenciennes

(a) [EMMISSA [de Valenciennes] “comitissa” (-after 1143). Her parentage and first two marriages are confirmed by the charter dated 1107 under which "Emmissa quæ cognominor comitissa, Isaac et Maltheldis filia, Fastrei de Fossato conjunx" granted revenue rights to the church of Saint-Jean-Baptiste de Valenciennes, for the souls of "patris et matris [et] domini mei…Rogeri…de Wavring", signed by "Godefridi, Hugonis, castellanorum de Valentianis, Godzewini de Avesnes…Godefridi de Arescod…"[634]. Her third marriage is confirmed by the charter dated 1139 under which "Emeza, quæ cognominor comitissa, Ysaac et Mathildis filia, uxor Godefridi de Arescot" donated revenue rights to the abbey of Liessies, with the consent of "Balduino Montensi comite"[635]. Baudouin IV Comte de Hainaut confirmed that "comitissa, uxor Godefridi de Arscoth" renounced her rights in the forest of Vicogne in favour of the abbey of Vicogne by charter dated 1143[636].

m firstly ROGER [II] de Wavrin, son of --- (-before 1107).

m secondly (before 1107) FASTRE de Fossé, son of ---. “...Fastredi de Fossato...” signed the charter dated 1089 under which Baudouin II Comte de Hainaut confirmed the donation of “alodium Vesinium” to Marchiennes[637]. Baudouin II Comte de Hainaut founded Marchiennes by charter dated 1089, subscribed by "...Fastredi de Fossato…"[638]. Dereine suggests that Fastré de Fossé was Fastré [II] d’Oisy, son of Fastré [I] d’Oisy Avoué de Tournai & his wife Ida d’Avesnes (see the document HAINAUT), called “du Fossé, du nom d’un vicus de Tournai où se trouve une grande concentration de moulins”[639]. He acknowledges the difficulty of the source which records that “Richilde”, wife of Fastré [II], survived her husband but suggests that his supposed marriage to Emmissa was earlier and could have been terminated for consanguinity. Dereine comments that this is “pour nous, la seule solution possible car distinguer un Fastré de la maison des avoués de Tournai d’un autre Fastré de Fossato semble vraiment impossible”, a conclusion which does not appear inevitable especially considering that Dereine himself quotes sources which record other persons named “Fastré” in the area at that time (for example Fastré de Silly who subscribed a charter with Anselme de Ribemont, see the document HAINAUT). A possible Oisy/Fossé connection is not discussed by Leuridan in his study of the avoués de Tournai[640]. No source has been identified which indicates whether Emmissa left children by any of her marriages.

m thirdly [as his second wife,] GODFRIED [I] van Aarschot, son of ARNOLD [II] Graaf van Aarschot & his wife --- (-after 1139).]


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