Elidir Ddu ap Elidir

Please see Darrell Wolcott: The Royal Family of Gwynedd: Einion ap Llywarch of Carmanthenshire; http://www.ancientwalesstudies.org/id163.html.NOTE: there were several men in various branches of this family called Elidyr Ddu, or II. For Sir Elidyr Ddu, see the Elidyr ap Gronwy of c: 1160. (Steven Ferry, April 7, 2017.)

Elidir "Ddu" is called 'Sir' in Lewys Dwnn, who calls him Knight of the Sepulchre (ii 57) and Knight of Cadiz (i p. 38). (Bartrum, Welsh Genealogies 300-1400, vol. 5 p. 329 fn. 1) REMARKS: Rowland's 'Pedigree of the Ancient Family of Dolau Cothi' page 9 states "who took the Cross and accompanied Richard Coeur de Lion in his crusade against the Sracens, and became Knight of the Sepulchre".

RESIDENCE: The Crig. (Bartrum, Welsh Genealogies 300-1400, vol. 5 p. 329) RESIDENCE: Crûg. (Bartrum, Welsh Genealogies - Additions and Corrections 300-1400, 6th List, p. 13)

REMARKS: Adds to the first remark: "Eildir Ddu was living 1302-1326 (J. Hist. Soc. of the Church of Wales, 26 (1979) p. 23). (Bartrum, Welsh Genealogies - Additions and Corrections 300-1400, 5th List, p. 18 Ein ap Ll. 6 fn. 1)

REMARKS: "He was the first of the family to assume the name of Fitz Urien." (Dwnn, Heraldic Visitations of Wales, vol. 1 p. 118 fn. 7,210 fn. 4) ◦(Research):IDENTITY: Maclean's 'The Visitation of the County of Gloucester taken in the Year 1623' page 114 states "Sr John Elyder Knt. [Elyer Den militis1; Sr Elidr ddy kt - Har. 1041, fo. 56b]".

SURNAME: Investigate> Evan's 'British Genealogist' book 1 pages 6 and 220 state he was the first to assumed the surname of FitzUrien.

KINSHIP: Investigate> Dwnn's 'Heraldic Visitations of Wales' volume 2 page 52 gives him two daughters named Mawd and Elen, but which ones they are is unknown.

KINSHIP: Evan's 'British Genealogist' book 1 page 6 gives him a daughter named Jonet who was married to William ap Owain.

KINSHIP: Evan's 'British Genealogist' book 1 page 6 gives him a son named Rhydderch.

KINSHIP: Evans' 'British Genealogist' book 8 page H66 gives him additional daughters: Catrin, [unknown] who married Dafydd "Fychan" ap Dafydd ap Meurig "Gôch", and Margred who married Gwilym ab Einion ap Llywelyn ap Rhys ab Owain. It also gives him an additional son named Thomas who had a daughter Margred who married Hywel ap Llywelyn, brother of Sir Dafydd "Gam". They are all made children of Elsbeth ferch Seisyll. A daughter Gwladus who married Gwilym ap Llywelyn "Ddû" is also given, but she is the daughter of his son Philip.

KINSHIP: Buckley's 'Genealogies of the Carmarthenshire Sheriffs from 1539-1913' page 3 gives him an additional son named Thomas whose daughter Margred married Hywel ap Llywelyn, brother of Sir Dafydd "Gam".

KINSHIP: Thomas' 'Golden Grove MS' book 2 page A139 gives him additional daughters by Elsbeth ferch Seisyll (she is the only wife shown): Elen, Mawd, [unknown] who married Einion "Cest", and Jonet or Elen who married Maredudd ap Gruffudd of Brecon and William ap Benet ap Morgan "Fychan".

Person ID I4861 Wales. Welsh Medieval Database Primarily of Nobility and Gentry. Last Modified 23 Mar 2012

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3.[S762] #235 The History and Antiquities of the County of Buckingham (1847), Lipscomb, George, (Four volumes. London: J. & W. Robins, 1847), FHL book Q 942.575 H2Li; FHL microfilms 990,261-99., vol. 1 p. 71.

4.[S121] Peerage (Collins, Brydges), Brydges, Sir Egerton, 1762-1837, (9 vols. London: [T. Bensley], 1812), FHL 942 D22bc., vol. 7 p. 504, 509.

5.[S1257] #248 A Genealogical and Heraldic History of the Commoners of Great Britain and Ireland Enjoying Territorial Possessions or High Official Rank; but Uninvested with Heritable Honors (1834-1838), Burke, John, (4 volumes. London: Published for Henry Colburn, by R. Bentley, 1834-1838), FHL book 942 D2bc., vol. 4 p. 59.

6.[S2434] #2105 Heraldic Visitations of Wales and Part of the Marches Between the Years 1586 and 1613 by Lewys Dwnn (1846), Dwnn, Lewys; transcribed and edited with notes by Sir Samuel Rush Meyrick, (2 volumes. Llandovery: William Rees, 1846), FHL book 942.9 D23d; FHL microfilm 176,668., vol. 1 p. 15, 26, 28, 62, 51, 85, 90, 91, 92, 114, 118 fn. 7, 123, 131*, 142, 144, 147, 210*, 212, 216, 243, 275; vol. 2 p. 26, 28, 29, 33, 44, 48, 49, 52*, 53, 56, 57*, 60.

7.[S2411] #11915 British Genealogy (filmed 1950), Evans, Alcwyn Caryni, (Books A to H. National Library of Wales MSS 12359-12360D. Manuscript filmed by the Genealogical Society of Utah, 1950), FHL microfilms 104,355 and 104,390 item 2., book 1 p. 6*, 25, 35*, 58*, 64, 105, 108, 110, 155*, 160, 163, 184, 220*, 261, 262; book 2 p. B22*, 30, 31, 43, 61; book 3 p. C38, 43; book 4 p. D61; book 6 p. F52, 67; book 7 p. G30; book 8 p. H41, 66*.

8.[S2420] #11886 The Golden Grove books of pedigrees (filmed 1970), (Manuscript, National Library of Wales manuscript number Castell Gorfod 7. Filmed by the Genealogical Society of Utah, 1950), FHL microfilms 104,349-104,351., book 1 p. A66; book 2 p. A138*; book 6 p. D780; book 7 p. D849; book 12 p. K1390; book 19 p. 48; book 21 p. 153, 162.

9.[S325] WG 300-1400 - 5th List, Bartrum, Peter C., (Aberystwyth. Llyfrgell Genedlaethol Cymru / The National Library of Wales. 1996.), FHL 942.9 Dwbp supp. 5., p. 18.

10.[S327] WG 300-1400 - 6th List, Bartrum, Peter C., (Aberystwyth. Llyfregell Genedlaethol Cymru / The National Library of Wales. 1999.), FHL 942.9 Dwbp supp. 6., p. 13.

11.[S2416] #12627 Genealogy of Shropshire [by Joseph Morris] (filmed 1966), Morris, Joseph, (10 volumes. Manuscript filmed by the Genealogical Society of Utah, 1966), vol. 1-2 FHL microfilm 504,551; vol.3-4 FHL microf., vol. 3 p. 1175, 1291.

12.[S2410] #1105 Genealogies of the Carmarthenshire Sheriffs from 1539-1913 (1910-1913), Buckley, James, (2 volumes. Carmarthen: W. Spurrell, 1910-1913), FHL book 942.98 D2b., p. 2*, 4.

13.[S4923] Pedigree of the Ancient Family of Dolau Cothi, Rowland, John, (Microreproduction of original published: Carermarthen : William Spurrell, 1877. vi. 23 p. Salt Lake City, Utah : Filmed by the Genealogical Society of Utah, 1982), FHL BRITISH Fiche [6024300]., p. 9.

14.[S4933] History and Antiquities of the County of Somerset, Collinson, John, (Bath, England : R. Cruttwell, 1791), FHL BRITISH Book 942.38 H2coL., vol. 3 p. 588.

15.[S641] #1786 The Visitation of the County of Gloucester: Takes in the Year 1623, with Pedigrees from the Herald's Visitations of 1569 and 1582-3 (1885), Maclean, John, (Publications of the Harleian Society: Visitations, volume 21. London: [Harleian Society], 1885), FHL book 942 B4h volume 21., p. 114.

16.[S2434] #2105 Heraldic Visitations of Wales and Part of the Marches Between the Years 1586 and 1613 by Lewys Dwnn (1846), Dwnn, Lewys; transcribed and edited with notes by Sir Samuel Rush Meyrick, (2 volumes. Llandovery: William Rees, 1846), FHL book 942.9 D23d; FHL microfilm 176,668., vol. 2 p. 29.

17.[S2434] #2105 Heraldic Visitations of Wales and Part of the Marches Between the Years 1586 and 1613 by Lewys Dwnn (1846), Dwnn, Lewys; transcribed and edited with notes by Sir Samuel Rush Meyrick, (2 volumes. Llandovery: William Rees, 1846), FHL book 942.9 D23d; FHL microfilm 176,668., vol. 2 p. 26.

18.[S2434] #2105 Heraldic Visitations of Wales and Part of the Marches Between the Years 1586 and 1613 by Lewys Dwnn (1846), Dwnn, Lewys; transcribed and edited with notes by Sir Samuel Rush Meyrick, (2 volumes. Llandovery: William Rees, 1846), FHL book 942.9 D23d; FHL microfilm 176,668., vol. 2 p. 52.

19.[S2434] #2105 Heraldic Visitations of Wales and Part of the Marches Between the Years 1586 and 1613 by Lewys Dwnn (1846), Dwnn, Lewys; transcribed and edited with notes by Sir Samuel Rush Meyrick, (2 volumes. Llandovery: William Rees, 1846), FHL book 942.9 D23d; FHL microfilm 176,668., vol. 2 p. 57.

20.[S2434] #2105 Heraldic Visitations of Wales and Part of the Marches Between the Years 1586 and 1613 by Lewys Dwnn (1846), Dwnn, Lewys; transcribed and edited with notes by Sir Samuel Rush Meyrick, (2 volumes. Llandovery: William Rees, 1846), FHL book 942.9 D23d; FHL microfilm 176,668., vol. 2 p. 49.

21.[S2434] #2105 Heraldic Visitations of Wales and Part of the Marches Between the Years 1586 and 1613 by Lewys Dwnn (1846), Dwnn, Lewys; transcribed and edited with notes by Sir Samuel Rush Meyrick, (2 volumes. Llandovery: William Rees, 1846), FHL book 942.9 D23d; FHL microfilm 176,668., vol. 2 p. 53.

22.[S2420] #11886 The Golden Grove books of pedigrees (filmed 1970), (Manuscript, National Library of Wales manuscript number Castell Gorfod 7. Filmed by the Genealogical Society of Utah, 1950), FHL microfilms 104,349-104,351., book 21 p. 153.

23.[S2420] #11886 The Golden Grove books of pedigrees (filmed 1970), (Manuscript, National Library of Wales manuscript number Castell Gorfod 7. Filmed by the Genealogical Society of Utah, 1950), FHL microfilms 104,349-104,351., book 21 p. 162.

24.[S2411] #11915 British Genealogy (filmed 1950), Evans, Alcwyn Caryni, (Books A to H. National Library of Wales MSS 12359-12360D. Manuscript filmed by the Genealogical Society of Utah, 1950), FHL microfilms 104,355 and 104,390 item 2., book 1 p. 163.

25.[S2434] #2105 Heraldic Visitations of Wales and Part of the Marches Between the Years 1586 and 1613 by Lewys Dwnn (1846), Dwnn, Lewys; transcribed and edited with notes by Sir Samuel Rush Meyrick, (2 volumes. Llandovery: William Rees, 1846), FHL book 942.9 D23d; FHL microfilm 176,668., vol. 2 p. 33.

26.[S2434] #2105 Heraldic Visitations of Wales and Part of the Marches Between the Years 1586 and 1613 by Lewys Dwnn (1846), Dwnn, Lewys; transcribed and edited with notes by Sir Samuel Rush Meyrick, (2 volumes. Llandovery: William Rees, 1846), FHL book 942.9 D23d; FHL microfilm 176,668., vol. 2 p. 28.

27.[S2411] #11915 British Genealogy (filmed 1950), Evans, Alcwyn Caryni, (Books A to H. National Library of Wales MSS 12359-12360D. Manuscript filmed by the Genealogical Society of Utah, 1950), FHL microfilms 104,355 and 104,390 item 2., book 1 p. 108, 184.

28.[S2411] #11915 British Genealogy (filmed 1950), Evans, Alcwyn Caryni, (Books A to H. National Library of Wales MSS 12359-12360D. Manuscript filmed by the Genealogical Society of Utah, 1950), FHL microfilms 104,355 and 104,390 item 2., book 1 p. 106; book 6 p. F52, 67; book 8 p. H66.

29.[S2434] #2105 Heraldic Visitations of Wales and Part of the Marches Between the Years 1586 and 1613 by Lewys Dwnn (1846), Dwnn, Lewys; transcribed and edited with notes by Sir Samuel Rush Meyrick, (2 volumes. Llandovery: William Rees, 1846), FHL book 942.9 D23d; FHL microfilm 176,668., vol. 1 p. 212.

30.[S2411] #11915 British Genealogy (filmed 1950), Evans, Alcwyn Caryni, (Books A to H. National Library of Wales MSS 12359-12360D. Manuscript filmed by the Genealogical Society of Utah, 1950), FHL microfilms 104,355 and 104,390 item 2., book 1 p. 110*; book 4 p. D61; book 8 p. H41.

31.[S2410] #1105 Genealogies of the Carmarthenshire Sheriffs from 1539-1913 (1910-1913), Buckley, James, (2 volumes. Carmarthen: W. Spurrell, 1910-1913), FHL book 942.98 D2b., p. 4.

32.[S2411] #11915 British Genealogy (filmed 1950), Evans, Alcwyn Caryni, (Books A to H. National Library of Wales MSS 12359-12360D. Manuscript filmed by the Genealogical Society of Utah, 1950), FHL microfilms 104,355 and 104,390 item 2., book 1 p. 6, 35, 58, 155, 220; book 2 p. B43; book 3 p. C43.

33.[S2410] #1105 Genealogies of the Carmarthenshire Sheriffs from 1539-1913 (1910-1913), Buckley, James, (2 volumes. Carmarthen: W. Spurrell, 1910-1913), FHL book 942.98 D2b., p. 2.

34.[S2434] #2105 Heraldic Visitations of Wales and Part of the Marches Between the Years 1586 and 1613 by Lewys Dwnn (1846), Dwnn, Lewys; transcribed and edited with notes by Sir Samuel Rush Meyrick, (2 volumes. Llandovery: William Rees, 1846), FHL book 942.9 D23d; FHL microfilm 176,668., vol. 2 p. 48.

35.[S2411] #11915 British Genealogy (filmed 1950), Evans, Alcwyn Caryni, (Books A to H. National Library of Wales MSS 12359-12360D. Manuscript filmed by the Genealogical Society of Utah, 1950), FHL microfilms 104,355 and 104,390 item 2., book 2 p. B22.

36.[S2420] #11886 The Golden Grove books of pedigrees (filmed 1970), (Manuscript, National Library of Wales manuscript number Castell Gorfod 7. Filmed by the Genealogical Society of Utah, 1950), FHL microfilms 104,349-104,351., book 12 p. K1390.

37.[S2420] #11886 The Golden Grove books of pedigrees (filmed 1970), (Manuscript, National Library of Wales manuscript number Castell Gorfod 7. Filmed by the Genealogical Society of Utah, 1950), FHL microfilms 104,349-104,351., book 1 p. A66; book 6 p. D780.

38.[S2420] #11886 The Golden Grove books of pedigrees (filmed 1970), (Manuscript, National Library of Wales manuscript number Castell Gorfod 7. Filmed by the Genealogical Society of Utah, 1950), FHL microfilms 104,349-104,351., book 7 p. D849.

39.[S2420] #11886 The Golden Grove books of pedigrees (filmed 1970), (Manuscript, National Library of Wales manuscript number Castell Gorfod 7. Filmed by the Genealogical Society of Utah, 1950), FHL microfilms 104,349-104,351., book 2 p. A138.

40.[S2434] #2105 Heraldic Visitations of Wales and Part of the Marches Between the Years 1586 and 1613 by Lewys Dwnn (1846), Dwnn, Lewys; transcribed and edited with notes by Sir Samuel Rush Meyrick, (2 volumes. Llandovery: William Rees, 1846), FHL book 942.9 D23d; FHL microfilm 176,668., vol. 2 p. 60.