Crisli verch Gruffudd Llwyd

Please see Peter Bartum: Cydifor ap Gwaithfoed 6; https://www.geni.com/documents/view?doc_id=6000000173377782978 & Marchudd 17; https://www.geni.com/documents/view?doc_id=6000000173393022889 (Steven Ferry, January 2, 2025.)

Not the same as her sister Gwenllian ferch Gruffudd, who married Cadwgan ap Hywel.

Crisli verch Gruffudd, daughter of Sir Gruffudd ‘Llwyd’ ap Rhys, married 1) as 2nd wife, after 1343/4, to Sir Guy de Bryan b. 1284, d. 17 Jun 1349 (son of Guy de Bryan, Governor of Haverford d. a 1331 and Sybil); no children 2) Dafydd Moethe.

Notes

Source: Richardson, Douglas. Royal Ancestry: A Study In Colonial And Medieval Families, in 5 vols. (Salt Lake City, Utah, 2013), Vol. II, page 446.

After the death of Hugh Le Despenser, his widow, Elizabeth de Montagu, married (3rd) before 10 July 1350 (as his 2nd wife) Guy de Bryan (or Brian), K.G., son and heir of Guy de Bryan, by [Gwenllian, daughter of Gruffudd ap Lloyd.] [sic] He was born about 1309. They had three sons, Guy Knt., William, Knt., and Philip.

Comment: more likely his mother was Ann or Alice Holwey. Guy de Bryan’s second wife was Crisli verch Gruffudd, not her sister Gwenllian verch Gruffudd. They were the daughters of Gruffudd ap Rhys, nicknamed Llwyd. See P. C. Bartrum: Welsh Genealogies AD 300-1400, Marchudd 17 (document attached)

References

1. See Peter Bartrum, https://cadair.aber.ac.uk/dspace/bitstream/handle/2160/4730/Marchud... (May 25, 2019;Anne Brannen, curator) (link moved)
2. See Peter Bartrum, http://cadair.aber.ac.uk/dspace/bitstream/handle/2160/5228/Cydifor%... (December 13, 2018; Anne Brannen, curator) (link moved)
3. The complete peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain, and the United Kingdom : extant, extinct, or dormant. by Cokayne, George E. Vol 2, page 361-2. “BRYAN or BRIENE.” < Archive.Org > d. Guy de Brian, King's yeoman (valettus), and Alice his wife, were living 27 Jan. 1343/4. {Patent Roll). V.G.
4. Douglas Richardson post on SGM - https://soc.genealogy.medieval.narkive.com/tSTEBle8/cp-addition-mar...
5. https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Holwey-1 comments : “Gwenllian ferch Gruffudd is shown as wife of Guy Brionne and father of Sir Guy who married Joan Carew” cites
6. https://our-royal-titled-noble-and-commoner-ancestors.com/p650.htm#... (has errors) cites
   1. [S16] Douglas Richardson, Magna Carta Ancestry, 2nd Edition, Vol. I, p. 92-93.
   2. [S16] Douglas Richardson, Magna Carta Ancestry, 2nd Edition, Vol. II, p. 69-70.
   3. [S4] Douglas Richardson, Royal Ancestry, Vol. I, p. 222.
   4. [S4] Douglas Richardson, Royal Ancestry, Vol. II, p. 446.
   5. [S11568] The Complete Peerage, by Cokayne, Vol. II, p. 362, notes.
   6. [S11588] Some Early English Pedigrees, by Vernon M. Norr, p. 39.
   7. [S11568] The Complete Peerage, by Cokayne, Vol. III, p. 149

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