Beatrice de Valle

Mistress (1): BEATRICE de Valle

From Medlands:

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daughter of ---. The primary source which confirms her parentage and relationship with Earl Renaud has not yet been identified. The Complete Peerage states that Dugdale "calls her Beatrice de Valle, says she was the mistress of Rainald Earl of Cornwall" and later the wife of William de Briwere, but does not cite a primary source on which this information is based[141]. The chronology does not appear to favour the subsequent marriage of the mistress of Earl Renaud to William de Briwere. The marriages of the latter´s children are recorded in the first decade of the 13th century, their births being therefore estimated to [1180/1195]. Even if Earl Renaud´s mistress gave birth to the earl´s illegitimate son in the last decade of his life (when he would have been in his sixties), it is unlikely that she could have continued bearing children into the mid-1190s.

Renaud Earl of Cornwall had one illegitimate child by Mistress (1):

8. HENRY FitzCount (-on crusade 1222). The 1194/95 Pipe Roll records "Henrico f comitis…in Cassewelle et Depeford" in Devonshire[155]. Constable of Totnes Castle 1209, Governor of Porchester Castle 1211. The Red Book of the Exchequer records "Henricus filius comitis" holding one half of one knight´s fee in Cornwall, and one in Devonshire and 16 "de honore Braynes" in Devonshire, in [1210/12][156]. Sheriff of Cornwall, Constable of Launceston Castl e and Warden of the Stannaries 1215. He was granted the county of Cornwall by King John in 1215, but not the title of Earl. Henry III King of England granted land in Cornwall held by "Reginaldus comes Cornubie pater suus" to "Henrico filio Comitis" dated 7 Feb 1217[157]. He resigned the county in 1220 when he left on crusade[158].

Beatrice de Valle1,2

b. circa 1149, d. between 24 March 1216 and 1217

    Beatrice de Valle was said by Dugdale to have been the mistress of Rainald, Earl of Cornwall, and may have been the same lady as Earl Rainald's wife, Beatrice, daughter and heir of William Fitz-Richard.3 She was born circa 1149 at Stoke, Devon, England. She married Lord William de Briwere, son of Henry de Briwere, in 1174 at Stoke, Devon, England.4 Beatrice de Valle died between 24 March 1216 and 1217.

Family

Lord William de Briwere b. circa 1145, d. 1226

Children

   * Isabel de Briwere+ b. c 1184, d. b Jun 12333

   * Grace de Briwere+ b. c 1186, d. 1223

   * Joan de Briwere+ b. c 1190

   * Margaret de Briwere+ b. 1200, d. c 1235

Citations

  1. [S215] Revised by others later George Edward Cokayne CP, XII/2:298, per Dugdale.

  2. [S693] TH.D. Frederick Lewis Weis, Weis: MC 5th ed., pg. 186.

  3. [S215] Revised by others later George Edward Cokayne CP, XII/2:298.

  4. [S682] D.S.O. Lt.-Col. W. H. Turton, Turton, pg. 116.

Beatrice de Valle was said by Dugdale to have been the mistress of Rainald, Earl of Cornwall, and may have been the same lady as Earl Rainald's wife, Beatrice, daughter and heir of William Fitz-Richard.

She died between 24 March 1216 and 1217.

See "My Lines"

( http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cousin/html/p385.htm#i6762 )

from Compiler: R. B. Stewart, Evans, GA

( http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cousin/html/index.htm )

• de Vans
• de Vannes
• de Valle

Date of birth has also been erroneously reported to be:

• circa 1104/1119
• circa 1237

styled "of Torre (in Devon) and Karswell (perhaps now Abbotskerswell or Kingskerswell)" prior to marriage

From Stirnet's "BZmisc11" page (membership required to view without interruption): "Some web sites identify William's wife as Beatrix de Vaux, some going on to describe her as daughter of Rainald de Dunstanville (membership required to view without interruption), Earl of Cornwall, by his wife Beatrice (dau of William FitzRichard). However, TCP (Wake) reports that, whilst it is possible that William's wife might have been that same Beatrice (FitzWilliam), Dugdale identifies her as Earl Rainald's mistress ... <this Beatrice.>"

links

• FamilySearch AFN: 91SF-DP
• http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=jhqmytal...

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http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=cjh77&id=...

Name: Beatrice DE VAUX Given Name: Beatrice Surname: de Vaux 1 2 3 4 Sex: F Birth: Abt 1160 in Gilsland, Irthington, Cumberland, England Death: 24 Mar 1216-1217 in Stoke, Devonshire, England 5 6 _UID: 14C665B9629C4838A09C1F8CF241B387CA0B Change Date: 16 Jul 2013 at 16:45 Note:

   The following information was contained in a post-em by Curt Hofemann, curt_hofemann@yahoo.com:

   Beatrice de Valle (or Vaux), wife of William Briwerre, was almost certainly the daughter of Hubert de Vaux, baron of Gilsland (see ID 20718?), Cumberland, by his wife, Grace.

   The evidence for this is slim but compelling. Beatrice had property in Devonshire as her maritagium. The early history of this property is shrouded.

   However, Hubert de Vaux is known to have owned property in Devonshire, and probably lived there during part of his life. Beatrice de Valle had a daughter Grace Briwerre who I presume was named for her mother, Grace de Vaux. Grace was rather rare as a woman's name in that period. I have proven that William Briwerre acquired property from one of Beatrice's Vaux brothers and I have proven that William Briwerre was involved in a suit with the widow of another brother. If nothing else, this proves that the two families knew each other well.

   I should also note that Beatrice de Valle was almost certainly the mother of Henry Fitz Count, bastard son of Reginald, Earl of Cornwall. This is indicated by two successive charters which unfortunately I don't have in hand. In these two charters, Henry Fitz Count makes a gift to some religious house and in the next charter, Beatrice's Briwerre son refers back to his "brother" without naming him, as if the parties understood who he meant. This would only make sense if the two charters were recorded at the same time and if Henry Fitz Count was the "brother" named by Beatrice's Briwerre son. The charters are published in Monasticon Exoniensis.

   The name Vaux, by the way, was usually written in Latin as Vallibus but I have seen it on rare occasions as Valle. Beatrice's maiden name is given as Valle in one charter I have seen. [Ref: Douglas Richardson 25 Jan 1999 message to soc.genealogy.medieval]

   Research note: numerous listings on Rootsweb Worldconnect show the above Reginald (de Dunstanville), Earl of Cornwall (bastard son of Henry I by Sybil Corbet) as Beatrice de Valle/Vaux's father & Beatrice Mortaigne/Mortain or Beatrice fitzRichard as her mother, but sources are lacking... Curt

   Regards,

   Curt

Father: Herbert DE VAUX b: Abt 1142 in Gilsland, Irthington, Cumberland, England Mother: Grace b: Abt 1143 in England

Marriage 1 Reynold FITZROY b: Abt 1110 in Dunstanville, Kent, England

   Married: Bef 1174 in No Marriage 7

   Change Date: 12 Jan 2009

Children

   Has No Children Henry FITZCOUNT b: Bef 1175 in Cornwall, England

Marriage 2 William DE BRIWERE b: Abt 1145 in Little Bytham, Lincolnshire, England

   Married: 1175 in 2ND Husband

   Change Date: 16 Jul 2013

Children

   Has Children Marjorie (Margaret) de BRIWERE b: Abt 1176 in Stoke, Devonshire, England

   Has No Children Isabel DE BRIWERE b: Abt 1180 in Stoke, Devonshire, England

   Has Children Grace "The Dark" DE BRIWERE b: Abt 1183 in Stoke, Devonshire, England

   Has Children Alice DE BRIWERE b: Abt 1187 in Torre, Devonshire, England

   Has Children Joan DE BRIWERE b: 1190 in Stoke, Devonshire, England

Sources:

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   Page: 164

   Quality: 3

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   Quality: 3

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   Page: 153a-5

   Quality: 3

   Abbrev: Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom, by G. E Cokayne, Sutton Publishing Ltd, 2000

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   Quality: 3

   Abbrev: Newsgroup: soc.genealogy.medieval, at groups - google.com

   Title: Newsgroup: soc.genealogy.medieval, at groups - google.com

   Page: James Dow Allen, 4 Nov 2001

   Quality: 3

   Abbrev: jweber

   Title: The Weber, Phillips, and Stagg Families of the Pacific Northwest

   Author: Jim Weber

   Publication: Rootsweb database, well researched with many sources: http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=jweber

   Abbrev: Newsgroup: soc.genealogy.medieval, at groups - google.com

   Title: Newsgroup: soc.genealogy.medieval, at groups - google.com

   Page: Douglas Richardson, 25 Jan 1999