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Not the same as Margaret de Burgh (nun)
Margaret de Guines was born circa 1262. She married Sir Richard de Burgh, 2nd Earl Ulster, 4th Lord Connaught, son of Sir Walter de Burgh, 1st Earl of Ulster, Lord Connaught and Aveline FitzJohn, before 27 February 1281.
They had 4 sons (Walter; John; Thomas; & Sir Edmund) and 6 daughters (Eleanor, wife of Sir Thomas, 1st Lord Multon; Elizabeth, wife of Robert I de Brus, King of Scotland; Maud, wife of Sir Gilbert de Clare, Earl of Gloucester & Hertford; Aveline, wife of John de Bermingham, Earl of Louth; Katherine, wife of Maurice FitzThomas, 1st Earl of Desmond; & Joan, wife of Thomas FitzJohn, 2nd Earl of Kildare, and of Sir John, 1st Lord Darcy).
Margaret de Guines died in 1304. Sir Richard de Burgh, 2nd Earl Ulster, 4th Lord Connaught died on 29 July 1326 at Monastery at Athassel-on-the-Suir, Tipperary, Ireland; buried there.
The 10 children of Margaret and Richard de Burgh were:
From the Annals of the Four Masters: (see <Annals of the Four Masters> From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Until 27 May 2022, this profile showed:
Margaret de Burgh born about 1264 Portslade, Sussex, England died 1304.
Those origins are disputed by medievalists:
From <“Margaret de Guines, wife of Sir Richard de Burgh, Earl of Ulster [died 1326”] (post Jun 12, 2020)
Jour. of Royal Society of Antiquaries of Ireland Ser. 6 11 1921): 72 identifies Margaret, wife of Sir Richard de Burgh, as “daughter of John de Burgh of Lanvallay, and great-grand-daughter of Hubert de Burgh, Earl of Kent.” This is followed by Duffy et al., Medieval Ireland: An Encyclopedia (2005): 93–95, who states that Richard de Burgh “married a distant relative, Margaret, the great-granddaughter of Hubert de Burgh” [Earl of Kent]). Unfortunately there is no evidence that such a person as this particular Margaret ever existed.
Rather, an article by the historian, John Carmi Parsons, in Genealogists’ Magazine 20 (1982): 335–340 identifies Margaret, wife of Richard de Burgh, as a possible daughter of Arnoul III, Count of Guines, by his wife, Alice de Coucy. Parsons states that “Comte Arnoul III of Guines had … a daughter who was married to a mysterious Irish lord”, he citing Anselme, Hist. de la Maison Royale de France 8 (1733): 543 ff; Chesnaye-Desbois, Dict. de la Noblesse 8 (1866): cols. 40–41, and 4, cols. 129–131. Parsons provides additional evidence which showed that Queen Eleanor of Castile was directly involved with what appeared to be a marriage settlement of lands of young Richard and his wife, Margaret, right about the time of their marriage. This settlement by the Queen was similar in nature to other known settlements made by Queen Eleanor of Castile on behalf of her female Continental relatives when they married into English nobility.
The evidence that Count Arnoul III of Guines had such a daughter married to an Irish lord is found in something entitled "Lignages de Coucy" written in 1303, evidently at the command of Count Arnoul's own son, Enguerrand de Guines, seigneur de Coucy. A transcript of this account is published in Du Chesne, Histoire Généalogique des Maisons de Guines, d'Ardres, de Gand, et de Coucy, et de Quelques Autres Familles Illustres (1631). It can be found in Preuves, pg. 302 of this work at the following weblink: <GoogleBooks> Briefly, the pertinent part of this account reads as follows:"Encores ot li Cuens Arnoul de Guignes trois filles, dont l'vne fut mariée en Yllande ... "
Based on his research, Mr. Parsons made the preliminary identification of this Guines daughter as being the same person as Margaret, wife of Sir Richard de Burgh, Earl of Ulster. After giving the matter considerable thought, I've decided that Mr. Parsons is correct in his identification.
From <“Richard de Burgh wife Margaret”> (Oct 14, 2011)
… John Carmi Parsons, in his article 'Eleanor of Castile and the Countess Margaret of Ulster', _The Genealogists’ Magazine_ 20 (1982) 335–340.
He pointed out the unlikelihood that Richard de Burgh's wife Margaret was the daughter of a John de Burgh of Lanvallay - the elder of these men died in 1248 and 'can hardly have been father-in-law of a man born as late as 1259', while the younger did have a daughter named Margaret but she became a nun and did not receive a share with her sisters in the Lanvallay inheritance. The more probable, though unproven, link to the counts of Guines is taken from Pere Anselme, who stated that an unnamed daughter of Count Arnoul III by Alice de Coucy married an unidentified Irish lord.
In the article this information was not traced further - it came via “Histoire généalogique des maisons de Guines, d’Ardres, de Gand, et de Coucy,” by André Duchesne, <GoogleBooks> from a 15th century genealogy of the families of Dreux and Coucy that is now in the Bibliothèque national in Paris. No more definite evidence has come to light as far as I know.
https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Guines-5
"Margaret was emphatically not a daughter of John de Burgh of Lanvallay, grandson of the infamous justiciar John de Burgh. The younger John did leave 3 daughters, two of whose marriages are well attested (neither one to Richard de Burgh nor any member of that family); the third, who was named Margaret, had become a nun before her father died, so the inheritance was divided only between her two elder sisters. The inheritance was never subsequently re- apportioned to provide for the third sister or any of her issue, and she evidently remained in her cloister to die unmarried and childless. " (Ref: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/GEN-MEDIEVAL/1999-03/... )
Eleanor of Castile: The Shadow Queen. By Sara Cockerill. (2014) <GoogleBooks>
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Guînes, Pas-de-Calais, Nord-Pas-de-Calais, France
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1280
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Dublin, County Dublin, Ireland
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1280
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Of Conaught Province, Mayo, County Mayo, Ireland
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1282
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Belfast, Antrim, Ulster, Ireland
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Ulster Province Ireland
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1286
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Norfolk, England
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1288
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of Gloucestershire, England
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1289
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Dumfermline, Fifeshire, Scotland, (Present UK)
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1295
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Burgh Hall, Gnosall, Staffordshire, England (United Kingdom)
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