wife of Reginar II

Medlands does not show an Adelaide as a daughter of Richard II, duke of Burgundy & his wife Adelaide of Burgundy

From Stewart Baldwin’s “Henry Project”

https://fasg.org/projects/henryproject/data/regin001.htm

Giselbert is directly documented as a son of Alberada, and thus Regnier, evidently younger than Giselbert, was probably by Alberada as well.

Regnier II, fl. 916-931, count of Hainaut, m. before 924, NN

Regnier was present at Heristal on 19 January 916 [Parisot (1898), 617; Wampach (1935), 170 (#146)]. He is mentioned by Flodoard as a brother of Giselbert in the year 924, at which time he already had a son, who was given as a hostage to his brother-in-law Bérenger ["Interea Giselbertum Berengarius, qui sororem ipsius uxorem habebat, comprehendit, quemque, oblatis obsidibus sibi pro eo filiis Ragenarii, fratris ipsius Gisleberti, dimisit. Idem vero Gislebertus dimissus, terram Berengarii Ragenariique, fratris sui, et Isaac comitis depraedationsibus plurimus vastat." Flodoard, Annales, s.a. 924, 21-2]. Regnier II is called count of Hainaut by the life of abbot Gerard of Brogne ["... Raginero Hainoensi comite ..." Vita Gerardi abbatis Broniensis, MGH SS 15: 666]

An assumptive marriage to Reginar is insupportable.

Medlands (18 Aug 2022) Hainaut.

REGINAR [II], son of REGINAR [I] "Langhals/Longneck" Graf im Maasgau & his wife Alberade --- ([885/900]-932 or after). The Annales Hanoniæ name "Raginerus" as son of "Raginerus dictus Longi-colli"[26]. Flodoard names "Ragenarii, fratris ipsius Gisleberti"[27]. … .
"m ---. No reference has been found to the name or origin of the wife of Comte Reginar [II]. However, the introduction of the name Lietard into the Hainaut family after this marriage suggests that she may have been related to the family of the comtes de Huy (see Lower Lotharingian Nobility: Huy). If this is correct, she was --- [de Huy], daughter of ---. This would also explain why her grandson became comte de Louvain, which formed part of the territories relinquished by Ansfrid [II] Comte de Huy when he was appointed bishop of Utrecht in 995.
"Dhondt suggests that the wife of Reginar [III] was the sister of Comte Ansfrid [II], whose father was named Lambert, the name given by Reginar [III] to his younger son. In addition to the onomastic arguments, Dhondt comments that the voogdij of Gembloux abbey passed from Ansfrid [II] to Lambert [I] de Hainaut[32]. This provides an additional argument for a family relationship between the comtes de Huy and the comtes de Hainaut. However, Dhondt’s suggestion does not explain the introduction of the name Lietard into the Hainaut family. >On balance, it appears more likely that such a family connection was through the wife of Reginar [II] rather than the wife of Reginar [III]. If this is correct, it is possible that the wife of Reginar [II] was the paternal aunt of Ansfrid [II]." — (5 Oct 2022)
Comte Reginar [II] & his wife had four children:

1. REGINAR [III] (920-973)....
2. RUDOLF (-after 24 Jan 966)....
3. LIETARD (-[before 944]).
4. daughter....

---

• Adelaide (Alice) of Burgundy 1 2
• Born: ABT 895 in Bourgogne, France
• Father: Richard I "The Justiciar" Duke of Burgundy b: ABT 860 in Ardennes, Champagne-Ardenne, France Mother: Adelaide of Auxerre b: ABT 872 in Auxerre, Yonne, Bourgogne, France [Disputed origins]
• Marriage 1 Regnier II Count of Hainault b: ABT 890 in Lorraine, France
• Children:
  • Daughter of Hainault b: ABT 912 in Hainault, Lorraine, France
  • Regnier III "Long Neck" Count of Hainault b: ABT 928 in Hainault, Belgium

    ---

Sources:

• Non-Primary Source: Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists, 7th Edition, by Frederick Lewis Weis, additions by Walter Lee Sheppard Jr., 1999 Page: 155-18
• Milton Rubicam, The House of Brabant:Ancestry of Phillippa of Hainault, Wife of Edward III, TAG 25(1949):224-232 , p. 225. In TAG 25(1949):224-232, page 225, Reginar is said to be "probably married to a daughter of Richard, Duke of Burgundy, and a sister of Boso of Burgundy."[1]
• https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Bourgogne-59 notes
• Adelaide is not listed as a child of Richard "le Justiciar", Duke of Burgundy, in primary sources collected by FMG.[3] Wikipedia (04 Feb 2016), does list her, but the citation is not clear.[4]
• http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/BURGUNDY.htm Duke Richard & his wife had [four] children: Rodolph, Ermengarde, Hugues, Boson.
• https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/HAINAUT.htm#ReginarIIdiedafter932A Comte Reginar [II] & his wife had four children: …
• http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reginar_II%2C_Count_of_Hainaut
• http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard%2C_Duke_of_Burgundy#family
• http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reginar_II%2C_Count_of_Hainaut