Identifying religions in New Amsterdam

and sorry, it was Ann Spicer's mother Micah that was charged for harboring Quakers and then her and her son become Quakers. http://www.simonpg.com/d305.htm

Yeps, I've been reading about Lady Deborah too! And, in fact, I didn't get as far as you, Corey, about the Quakers. I thought that just ended up trying, but didn't succeed in building a community (whatever small). I definitely think we need it as a Religion subproject, simply because there's a story to tell and it's part of the big picture. Plus, I hope we can identify the profiles on Geni, of course.

Tammy, obviously there are TONS of Walloons identified amongst the immigrants. However, they are not 'formally' identified - which is why I think we need this approach by religion. 'Country of origin' would be a difficult approach. Wallonia now is not Wallonia then, and the boundaries have been fluctuating; the same goes for places like Flanders, Prussia, Schleswig-Holstein, Sweden etc etc.
I think it's safer to organize by Religion - and that associated with a 'sense of origin'. For instance, French Huguenots and Walloon Huguenots certainly shared the same belief system, but there's a different geographical notion. And, the families moved in different ways - i.e. the Walloons primarily moved to the North (Leiden, Amsterdam...), whereas many French Huguenots happened to move to 'Germany' - clustered in the region around Mannheim. (I'm simplifying here, it's more complicated than that, of course).
The approach by religion will help us, though, to cluster the families too - and we may learn new things from that.

Corey feel free to start a Lady Moody Project and join me up. I saw a Musgrove on the planters list and that's one of the names I track. It was Musgrave in England and my line emigrated through Baltimore, so it would be interesting to see how this Gravesend family links up (if it does).

Hmmm, it makes me think... That's ANOTHER thing we should do. AT some point, we need to give 'body' to the 'local' development in New Netherland. Families sticked together, often because of the patroon system. Gravesend is a very interesting place (aren't they all?). Lady Moody definitely IS interesting.
I'm going to get the 'religions' going. Perhaps we do need some dialogue about further development of the New Amsterdam projects. I think we're off to something quite unique here, and we probably need structure to make it work. I'm wondering if we shouldn't formalize a project team or something.
Thoughts?

I am really interested in religions as a structure. In contrast to many of my American ancestors there are actual extant church records AND so evidence of co operation and interaction between groups. Because we have the narrower time window it really does seem like a portal.

I'm trying to find out more about the genealogy of Lady Moody. The John and Mary Tilton mentioned in this article http://books.google.com/books?id=xAo-who3EkQC&pg=PA64&lpg=P... are my 9th gr grandparents. I was surprised to learn they probably knew each other.

Well, I'll be... I kept reading and I found Penelope Van Princis and Richard Stout, my 10th gr grandparents.

This is why I like Geni, Open discussions, I have never seen that link before Tammy, thanks, it just explained alot. Lady Moody's grandfather was William Dunch, which leads me one step closer to family groups, I still cannot find the birth records of Rhody Broadwell but she was related to Lady Deborah - this just made that missing connection. http://fabpedigree.com/s049/f648649.htm
http://fabpedigree.com/s004/f027135.htm
was the only info I had, Lady Moody's name is not there.

Puzzle pieces ...

I just bookmarked that book, it is the finest piece of work I've seen yet, with James I injustice and everything.

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What a nice find. The article gave me an idea of what life was like in early Gravesend.

Including explaining that colonists not members of the Dutch Reformed Church worshipped in their homes until their communities grew large enough for a building, a minister, a rabbi?

Exactly on point this discussion, just when thought drifting off.

Excellent!

http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/religion/rel01-2.html

This site give san idea of the different religions, there background and where they settled.
It's about America as a religious refuge

http://www.archive.org/stream/historyofhugueno02bairuoft/historyofh...

history of the Huguenot emigration to America...

You find ib tjhe link above (full text of the book) names of refugees and places they came from in France and went to in America

I have Huguenots who settled in southern USA and a New England line. None from New Amsterdam (so far).

The government site has beautiful illustrations. Thank you Jennie, great catch.

Peter Minuit? Says this text:

Attempted Huguenot settlements in Florida and South Carolina in 1562 and 1564 failed. In 1623, Huguenots, largely Walloons, settled New Amsterdam. Peter Minuit, the first director general of New Netherland, was a Walloon, and Jean Vigne, the first white child born on Manhattan Island, was French and probably Huguenot. Fort Orange (Albany), Kingston, and New Paltz in New York were Huguenot settlements. Some 200 or 300 Huguenot families came to Boston after Louis XIV's Dragonnades, which persecuted Protestants by billeting unruly soldiers in their homes.

After 1685, increasing numbers of Huguenots came to America, settling in Rhode Island, in Hartford and Mil-ford in Connecticut, and in New Rochelle, New York. They mingled with other settlers in Delaware, Maryland, and Pennsylvania, where they were called Dutchmen and confused with German settlers. In Virginia, the first of the "French Protestant Refugees," as the name appears officially in Virginia records, was Nicholas Martiau. He arrived before 1620 and is the earliest known Virginia ancestor of George Washington. The shipload coming to of Manakintowne on 23 July 1700, and two more shiploads in the same year, made up the largest single settlement of Huguenots in America. King William Parish was set aside for them, but this group with its local church and pastor was absorbed into the Church of England. The parishioners soon intermarried with the English people of the colony.

We have this project

http://www.geni.com/projects/Huguenot-imigrees-to-the-James-River-a...

And other Huguenot families.

Erica, just to keep you motivated in finding New Amsterdam Huguenot families ;-)
"Barred by the government from settling in New France, many Huguenots sailed to North America and settled instead in the Dutch colony of New Netherland (later incorporated into New York and New Jersey); as well as Great Britain's colonies, including Nova Scotia. A number of New Amsterdam's families were of Huguenot origin, often having emigrated as refugees to the Netherlands in the previous century. In 1628 the Huguenots established a congregation as L'Église française à la Nouvelle-Amsterdam (the French church in New Amsterdam). This parish continues today as L'Eglise du Saint-Esprit, part of the Episcopal (Anglican) communion, and welcomes Francophone New Yorkers from all over the world.

Upon their arrival in New Amsterdam, Huguenots were offered land directly across from Manhattan on Long Island for a permanent settlement and chose the harbor at the end of Newtown Creek, becoming the first Europeans to live in Brooklyn, NY, then known as Boschwick, today known as Bushwick.

That's an interesting one, Jennie. I hadn't seen the Eglise du Saint Esprit reference yet! :-)

I surprised you George? Now I'm surprised! Going for the next round... (or something like that I mean: ik ga door voor de volgende ronde :-) )

OK, go try and find a mosque! :-)

Bush wick Brooklyn is better than it used to be but still not a place I'd let Jennie go looking for Huguenots by herself. Also doubt there's any left there.

http://www.stespritnyc.net/internal-history-1600s.html

Lists the first ministers.

If I must I built it myselve! LOL

but speeking about muslims, maybe our "Turk" and some relatices but a lot of slaves were muslim. Dont't think the got a mosque..... :-( Know for sure of course....
But it's a challenge George and I like a good challenge even when its not realistic :-)

The church is on a street once known as Petticoat Lane, no wonder Jennie found it so easily. :)

And serviced Wallons for George and Tammy. Actually even today.

The Washington Post says the following, but I'd like more scholarship on the matter.

"Mosques have been here since the colonial era. A mosque, or masjid, is literally any place where Muslims make salat, the prayer performed in the direction of Mecca; it needn't be a building. One of the first mosques in North American history was on Kent Island, Md.: Between 1731 and 1733, African American Muslim slave and Islamic scholar Job Ben Solomon, a cattle driver, would regularly steal away to the woods there for his prayers -- in spite of a white boy who threw dirt on him as he made his prostrations."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/08/26/AR2...

The Voice of America identifies the earliest building built as a mosque in Ross, North Dakota, 1929.

http://www.voanews.com/english/news/a-13-2005-10-20-voa14.html

And National Public Radio did a segment that includes mention of this mosque, on September 12, 2010

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=129809833

A little more scholarship on the matter:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayuba_Suleiman_Diallo

http://www.dawanet.com/history/amermuslimhist.asp

A chronological history of Muslims in the US