Profiles written in cyrillic

Fair - for who?

Anhow, we have this person making a lot of errors and are not willing to discuss solutions. I had to remove him as collaborator and people are starting to block him because he does not respect the hard work we have put into some areas.

The question of multiscript profiles was already discussed extensively in this thread: http://www.geni.com/discussions/6000000007295742137

If you can't read it, send a note to the manager asking for help - to many people, ASCII feels as unnatural as Cyrillic feels for us West Europeans.

Dear Mr. Kipp,

Is there a problem which need to be solved. I know Mr. Brox as a man of integrity.

Most sincerely,

Michael Holmboe

http://nb-no.facebook.com/people/Michael-Holmboe/100000911696308

@Bjørn Fair for most of us!! I don't think it is fair to write in Hebrian eighter
I got your point - that isen't fair neigther

@Harald I think that was mostly how to understand different ways of giving names

@Michael I don't exactly understand what you mean!!

I think Michael thought it was you who was making errors and don't want to discuss problems to agree on a solution for Cyrillic/Hebew/Arabic/Greek spelling ;-)

To summarize my opinion in: http://www.geni.com/discussions/6000000007295742137

As far as possible we should follow the national naming, - but for internationally known profiles where the national spelling is not using Latin letters we have to compromise using Shmuels solution in the biblical lines.

Example using both Latin, Arabic and Hebrew:Noah .

In any case, - when you are merging into a multi-manager profile:

Please don't touch values of the main profile if you resolve the data conflicts. The names and locations used might been a result of a long discussion and/or a compromise among all the involved managers, and by changing them you destroy a lot of work.

If you disagree: Please invite to a discussion and come with your arguments before making fundamental changes.

@Bjørn
I have until now not edited one singel profil from cyrilic to latin - but today I got a merge request where one of the profiles where in Cyrilic, I sent it to Lalu for verification but never the less I think it will give problems, and as far as I can see more and more profiles are showing up!!

Who do is the one?
Sincerely yours: Steve

Steve ???

just to continue with Bjorn's example and point; in my opinion; that should only be on the display name field not in first middle and last name fields; since it could cause more problems, and also not right to do so by the definitions of such fields, Noah did not have first name in Latin, middle in Arabic, and third in Hebrew

Dear all,

I think the suggestion made by Anne Marit Berge in the discussion on Naming Conventions is perfect:

OTHER ALPHABETS
For languages with a different alphabet than the Latin letters the western world is used to, both original language AND English/Western is interesting and useful. In such cases names should be included in BOTH ALPHABET FORMS, divided by a / if necessary for clarity.

This is applicable for Hebrew, Russian and other languages using Cyrillic, Greek, Japanese, Chinese, Arabic etc – profiles of people from cultural areas using a different alphabet, to make the profiles readable and searchable also to the English speaking world."

The problem Günther Kipp is referring to in this discussion is the fact that there is a user who constantly changes names that a r e written in latin a n d cyrillic letters (and perfectly ok according to namerules we all can agree upon) to a mishmash of names and letters in bulgarian, russian, whiterussian, krigiztanish, uzbeisk and sorry, I even do not know to spell all those right.
This makes it very....v e r y hard to resolve conflicts, merge and so on.

To make it as fair as possible - or perhaps as readable as possible - the simple rule should be:
latin letters / origin letters
Meaning, if the name in it's origin is spelled with latin letters, it should be written with latin letters only.
If the name is written in arabic, chinese, grek, cyrillic, japaneese, hebrew, thai or any other alphabet in its origin it should be written in b o t h latin and origin letters.
A greek profile should then be written latin / greek with that standard.

The reason why latin should be written first has been very well explained by Shmuel here (page 5):
http://www.geni.com/discussions/6000000007295742137

Günther! Yes, it is a big problem and as the specific bulgarian user blocked me yesterday I have blocked him. This will however not stop him from changing the names of the historic profiles I manage as he is a co-manager. He changes the names e v e r y day and I will now stop my work in those lines. I have other things to do.
Maybe, if we all write help@geni.com about the problem, there will be a solution.

Have a beautiful day!

There is a technological solution to this issue that Geni could pursue. The question would be how many profile fields should be multilingual? Making all profile fields multilingual would certainly be a daunting task from a programming perspective. Doing so would certainly make using this application more enjoyable for everyone around the world.

I do agree that people who are not willing to work within the boundaries of compromise should be blocked or banned. It certainly is not fair to many who have put in countless hours of effort to lose it when a compromise cannot be reached by one individual.

Dear all; also consider this;
when you are writing in several languages, especially with long names, the profile looks very messy.
Also when dealing with royalty and also part of the nobility, please note that using all names and titles in the display name field; also looks very messy

I agree with Ofir, that profiles with long names writen twice looks not good, but when come work on merging profiles it is necesarry to have both variants, I think to that when merging is ended it is enoght to have translate only in display field, but when merging I dont know.
PS about national alphabets leters äöõü and ø is not stndart leters ;) what mean first 4 I know(at least in estonia) but how to read last I dont know :). I think in our interest to make in wiki page about national alphabets. And also I think we need to translate Naming convention to other Languges, bcs many people dont speak english.

I use Google Translate
http://translate.google.com
(hopefully it will pop up in your prefered language)

About Google Translate here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Translate

google translate you can turn on in geni preferences but after that its looks like very curiously. my opinion that man translation is beter than aoutomatic, but if i dont know som words i use to google translate, what mean russian is beter to use national servces like www.translate.ru, that make beter translation quality but not ideal.

I do not know how to handle this. We cant discriminate people who write with Hebrew or Arabic letters.

Any suggestions?

Michael

Of course noone is to be discriminated!!!
That is the whole point.
If someone changes all profiles to bulgarian, it would be discriminating to everybody not understanding bulgarian (reading cyrillic letters). Solution: write the name in both cyrillic and latin letters.

I left a suggestion above that everybody can be comfortable with (except the one(s) who can't cooperate internationally).

I am a little disturbed by the fact that one or two users spread lies about me.
I am not - in any way - discriminating anyone.

I said:
"Of course noone is to be discriminated!!!
That is the whole point.
If someone changes all profiles to bulgarian, it would be discriminating to everybody not understanding bulgarian (reading cyrillic letters). Solution: write the name in BOTH cyrillic and latin letters.

I left a suggestion above that everybody can be comfortable with (except the one(s) who can't cooperate internationally)."

I must agree with Susanna.
Common sense really!
Why else do we share a tree internationally?

Put both your own and English, as that is the most commonly shared language.

@Finn and others:

What Susanne is saying is NOT that all profiles should have English names, or that no profiles should have names in Cyrillic letters.

Please study our Naming Conventions:
http://www.geni.com/discussions/6000000007295742137

Main points:
NO ALL CAPS
National languages (French names for French people etc)
For cultures where a DIFFERENT alphabet is used, like Hebrew, cyrillic, Indian, Arabic, Greek: BOTH alphabets should be used for international or historical profiles.