Invited Profiles

"Both Plato and Aristotle were conservatives in the more important of two possible senses of the term. Both, that is, were “substantive” conservatives. Substantive conservatism refers to the belief in the essential rightness of a certain type of society; or the belief that society is essentially a differentiated whole in which each part has an assigned duty that follows from its natural function and limitations. For the substantive conservative politics becomes the pursuit of an objectively true moral end. The individual will not be able to fulfill him/herself without finding and accepting his/her rightful place within the social whole. These places will be “higher” or “lower”, carrying different types and degrees of responsibility and dignity."

in https://www.yorku.ca/horowitz/courses/lectures/12_political_animal....

Plato

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10/4/2024 at 5:37 AM

"Johnson laments the fact that Goethe is no longer required material for German students. Apparently he has suffered the same fate at the hands of post-modern sensibilities that Shakespeare or Chaucer have in English-speaking universities. There is added irony in that Goethe began his intellectual life as a romanticist and freethinker (who never entirely accommodated himself to Christian orthodoxy); nevertheless, his increasingly conservative political opinions were shaped by the fact that he had witnessed the excesses of the French Revolution, the imperialism of Napoleon and the subsequent emergence of intolerant ideological movements.

(...) Johnson sums up his outlook as a Central European version of Burkean philosophy: “Goethe was always a conservative, never a reactionary. He believed neither in revolution nor restoration, but in reform.”"

in https://imlacsjournal.wordpress.com/2017/11/04/goethe-and-the-conse...

Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

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10/4/2024 at 5:55 AM

George W. Bush, 43rd President of the United States

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10/4/2024 at 8:07 AM

Michael Joseph Oakeshott, FBA

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Oakeshott

Invited for this project.

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10/4/2024 at 9:49 AM

Hello,

I've been getting notifications about this project because I curate or co-manage some profiles in it.

I would encourage the use of firm parameters for inclusion, maybe like indisputable self-identification as an easy one. You have some figures included here -- Hannah Arendt jumps out as a big one -- who are notoriously difficult to pigeonhole into one box or another in terms of their beliefs. Due to the complexity of their beliefs and the fact that they're heroes to groups across the spectrum, I think you're going to have difficulty keeping some of them in this project, just as you'd have difficulty keeping them in a project for neoliberalism or libertarianism.

So maybe self-ID is a better approach?

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10/4/2024 at 5:06 PM

Also invited

Otto von Habsburg

"Otto von Habsburg was Vice President (1957–1973) and President (1973–2004) of the International Paneuropean Union movement. From 1979 to 1999, he served as a Member of the European Parliament for the Christian Social Union of Bavaria (CSU). As a newly elected Member of the European Parliament in 1979, Otto took a strong interest in the countries behind the Iron Curtain, and had an empty chair set up in the European Parliament to symbolize their absence.

Otto von Habsburg played a notable role in the revolutions of 1989 as a co-initiator of the Pan-European Picnic. Later, he was a strong supporter of the EU membership of central and eastern European countries.[11] A noted intellectual, he published several books on historical and political affairs. Otto has been described as one of the "architects of the European idea and of European integration" together with Robert Schuman, Konrad Adenauer, and Alcide De Gasperi.[12]"

in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_von_Habsburg

"An important part of Otto von Habsburg’s political legacy is his efforts to give new impulse and impetus to post-World War II conservative thought and politics. Recognising the importance of transnational connections and networks, the last Hungarian heir to the throne and later Member of the European Parliament played a crucial role in establishing a number of often interconnected political organisations, mobilising their members, increasing their influence on decision-making processes and developing a coherent conservative political ideology to support them."

in https://habsburgottoalapitvany.hu/en/otto-von-habsburg-and-the-cons...

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10/4/2024 at 5:12 PM

The present project is

https://www.geni.com/projects/Conservatives-Classical-Liberals/4501593

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10/4/2024 at 5:18 PM

Hello Private User

Hanna Arendt was an interesting person.

Here it's added the influencers of conservatives and classical liberals as well.

Hannah Arendt was against Nazism, Fascism, Totalitarianism, and also against Communism (read Karl Marx).

Please check:

"Arendt has been called a liberal and a conservative; she is both a hard-nosed realist and a romantic; and she warns us of impending totalitarianism while also warning us against seeing every act of authoritarianism as a proto-totalitarianism."

https://hac.bard.edu/amor-mundi/taking-liberties-2023-09-03

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10/4/2024 at 5:35 PM

Many conservatives are also classical liberals.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Liberalism

This project is about classical liberals NOT wide broad libertarians.

This confusion happens in the English language (USA). Many other countries in the world take liberalism as the theory from Adam Smith and later von Mises.

Whatever will be out of that, it goes to the term "progressists" (in general meaning political leftists).

https://study.com/academy/lesson/libertarian-liberal-overview-histo...

Once Geni is an International Portal, I tried to make it very clear.

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10/4/2024 at 5:51 PM

And by the way, the issue about the "Moda de Viola" Country Music etc: I just saw it a few days ago.

www.geni.com/ discussions/269134

I will be back there with the music scholarship information later on.

The truth always appears.

Darkness cannot overcome the Light.

No rush :-)

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10/4/2024 at 6:48 PM

Interview & Lecture with Sir Roger Scruton

https://youtu.be/1eD9RDTl6tM

https://youtu.be/KUbfMQ91Mps

Sir Roger Scruton

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10/4/2024 at 7:35 PM

"This project is about classical liberals NOT wide broad libertarians."

No, I understand that, and I'm very happy you're using the proper political science definition of classical liberal as opposed to the U.S. concept of "liberal."

My point was more that there are genuine debates about some of these folks, so painting them in any broad category is going to be extremely difficult and arguably inaccurate, with Arendt being the clearest example of someone we should probably avoid assigning any labels to other than the ones she chose for herself. In her case, for every scholar we could find calling her a conservative, we could find one saying she wasn't -- so that's why I'm saying really clear guidelines are important for a project like this, and going by specific terms people used to describe themselves might be the best option.

Thanks for finding that link from Bard College! It's not surprising that even they say she "is impossible to categorize."

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10/5/2024 at 3:49 AM

That's nice to see you like the information

Hannah Arendt

I posted there too (the link to Bard College)

Arendt is an influencer for conservatives and classical liberals because of her positions against totalitarianism.

About a broad project for conservatives & classical liberals (including their influencers), well, I do not see a problem because the communists and socialists have a broad one:

https://www.geni.com/projects/ Prominent-and-less-prominent-Communists-and-Socialists/39413

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10/5/2024 at 4:18 AM

Missing profile at Geni

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hannah_More

Karl Mannheim

Invited

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10/5/2024 at 5:12 AM

"In his essay "On Being Conservative" (1956)[19] Oakeshott characterised conservatism as a disposition rather than a political stance: "To be conservative ... is to prefer the familiar to the unknown, to prefer the tried to the untried, fact to mystery, the actual to the possible, the limited to the unbounded, the near to the distant, the sufficient to the superabundant, the convenient to the perfect, present laughter to utopian bliss." "

in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Oakeshott

"During this period, Oakeshott published what became his best known work during his lifetime, the collection entitled Rationalism in Politics and Other Essays (1962), and notable for its elegance of style. Some of his near-polemics against the direction that Britain was taking, in particular towards socialism, gained Oakeshott a reputation as a traditionalist conservative, sceptical about rationalism and rigid ideologies. Bernard Crick described him as a "lonely nihilist".[16]"

in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Oakeshott

Michael Joseph Oakeshott, FBA

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10/5/2024 at 5:15 AM

Winston Churchill

Invited

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10/5/2024 at 6:04 AM

"About a broad project for conservatives & classical liberals (including their influencers), well, I do not see a problem because the communists and socialists have a broad one"

I 100% agree -- and I think the communists and socialists project would be a good model to follow in terms of deciding who to add, since the rule of thumb users have come up with there is to add anyone who has ever formally or explicitly identified as a communist or socialist, typically through party membership.

I think I'm getting the sense that you might think I object to the existence of this project you've created, when in reality I'm glad someone has finally done it (and surprised it took so long!). I just want to make sure that, like other projects, inclusion is based on firm criteria and not subjective.

If you had a separate project for people who have influenced many conservatives and classical liberals, and you weren't actually assigning either of those terms to Arendt, I wouldn't have any concerns about including her there. Again, my concern in her case (and a couple of the others) is that 1) she never identified herself with either term, 2) her views were complex enough that you could arguably put her into several contradictory categories, and 3) major scholars continue to debate the validity of any of these terms as applied to her, with the exception of those she actually used for herself.

The Bard link notes that Arendt "is an original thinker, one who is impossible to categorize" and that when scholars do try to classify her one way or another, they do so not only against her will be in direct contradiction of her teachings. I think it's perfectly appropriate therefore to say that she is an inspirational luminary for many conservatives and classical liberals, but inappropriate to classify her as being a conservative or classical liberal by including her here.

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10/5/2024 at 6:19 AM

"The Bard link notes that Arendt 'is an original thinker, one who is impossible to categorize' and that when scholars do try to classify her one way or another, they do so not only against her will but in direct contradiction of her teachings.

Sorry, typo!

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10/8/2024 at 4:10 AM

Thanks for your tips and opinions @ Ashey Odell

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10/8/2024 at 4:11 AM

Dr. Konrad Adenauer

Invited

I'm still waiting for von Goethe to be added.

And Russel Kirk too.

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10/8/2024 at 8:32 AM

Specifically, for Libertarians (U.S. Libertarians, libertarians in the English language sense used in the USA, ANCAPs, etc) you may follow and take part in this project:

https://www.geni.com/projects/ U-S-Libertarians/4495202

Libertarians are NOT THE SAME as conservatives & classical liberals (please read the description of this present INTERNATIONAL project):

https://www.geni.com/projects/Conservatives-Classical-Liberals/4501593

PLEASE NOTE and READ CAREFULLY to understand that conservatives & classical liberals are NOT

1- NOT "nazis" and/or neonazists (National Socialist German Workers' Party or any new version of that);
2- NOT fascists;
3- NOT populists;
4- NOT dictators;
5- NOT left-wing (socialists, communists etc)

The political spectrum of conservatives & classical liberals TRADITIONALLY varies between center to center-right or right.

* * *

IMPORTANT:

CONSERVATIVES & CLASSICAL LIBERALS are NEVER far-right.

* * *

That's why this called "right-wing" project does NOT have an accurate title. It should be called Far-Right-Wing:

https://www.geni.com/projects/ Right-Wing-Politicians/45697

POLITICAL SPECTRUM TABLES here:

https://kaiserscience.wordpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/spec...

https://kaiserscience.wordpress.com/reading-connections/history/pol...

https://www.britannica.com/topic/political-spectrum

https://www.wvxu.org/politics/2015-07-09/studies-link-political-ide...

IF it's not clear yet, PLEASE watch these videos:

https://youtu.be/1eD9RDTl6tM

https://youtu.be/iU-8Uz_nMaQ

https://youtu.be/z5zXMfm0oBE

https://youtu.be/4A6O2BzpWvo

https://youtu.be/27Tf8RN3uiM

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10/10/2024 at 8:04 AM

'''ADAM SMITH'''

Adam Smith

"It is the great multiplication of the productions of all the different arts, in consequence of the division of labour, which occasions, in a well-governed society, that universal opulence which extends itself to the lowest ranks of the people."

The Wealth Of Nations, Book I, Chapter I, p. 22, para. 10.

"It is the maxim of every prudent master of a family, never to attempt to make at home what it will cost him more to make than to buy...What is prudence in the conduct of every private family, can scarce be folly in that of a great kingdom."

The Wealth Of Nations, Book IV Chapter II, pp. 456-7, paras. 11-12.

"…and human empathy

How selfish soever man may be supposed, there are evidently some principles in his nature, which interest him in the fortune of others, and render their happiness necessary to him, though he derives nothing from it, except the pleasure of seeing it."

The Theory Of Moral Sentiments, Part I, Section I, Chapter I, p. 9, para.1.

"On the drive to improve…

The natural effort of every individual to better his own condition...is so powerful, that it is alone, and without any assistance, not only capable of carrying on the society to wealth and prosperity, but of surmounting a hundred impertinent obstructions with which the folly of human laws too often encumbers its operations."

The Wealth Of Nations, Book IV, Chapter V, Digression on the Corn Trade, p. 540, para. b 43.

''in'' https://www.adamsmith.org/adam-smith-quotes

https://www.adamsmith.org

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10/10/2024 at 8:07 AM

Quotes of Edmund Burke

Right Hon. Edmund Burke

"“Men are qualified for civil liberty in exact proportion to their disposition to put moral chains upon their own appetites…Society cannot exist, unless a controlling power upon will and appetite be placed somewhere; and the less of it there is within, the more there must be without. It is ordained in the eternal constitution of things, that men of intemperate minds cannot be free. Their passions forge their fetters.”

in https://edmundburkeinstitute.ie/who-was-edmund-burke

https://edmundburkeinstitute.ie

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10/10/2024 at 8:11 AM

Quotes of Sir Roger Scruton

Sir Roger Scruton

"The strange superstition has arisen in the Western world that we can start all over again, remaking human nature, human society, and the possibilities of happiness; as though the knowledge and experience of our ancestors were now entirely irrelevant".

"The greatest enemy of the Left is reality".

in https://www.roger-scruton.com/affiliations/scruton-quotes

https://x.com/Scruton_Quotes

https://www.roger-scruton.com

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10/10/2024 at 11:13 AM

Wilhelm von Humboldt

Dwight D. Eisenhower, 34th President of the United States

David Ricardo, MP

Jacques Necker

Added

Theodore "Teddy" Roosevelt, 26th President of the USA