Olof III "the Treasurer", king of Sweden - King Olof Skötkonung

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There is evidence to suggest that some Vikings were Muslim. Viking traders and warriors traveled extensively throughout Europe, Asia, and North Africa, leading to encounters with Islamic cultures. Some Vikings converted to Islam, while others adopted Islamic customs and practices.

Archaeological findings, such as Islamic coins and artifacts, have been discovered in Viking Age sites in Scandinavia. Additionally, historical records from the time period mention encounters between Vikings and Muslims.

One famous example is the Viking trader and traveler Ibrahim ibn Yaqub al-Tartushi, who wrote about his encounters with Viking traders in the 10th century. Another example is the discovery of a Viking woman's grave in Norway, which contained Islamic artifacts and inscriptions.

Here are some more interesting facts about Muslim Vikings:

1. Viking traders established trade routes with Islamic Spain, North Africa, and the Middle East, leading to cultural exchange and conversion.
2. Islamic coins, such as dirhams, have been found in Viking Age sites in Scandinavia, indicating trade and cultural exchange.
3. Some Viking warriors fought as mercenaries in Islamic armies, such as the Abbasid Caliphate.
4. The Viking woman's grave mentioned earlier, discovered in Norway, contained a necklace with a pendant bearing the Islamic declaration of faith, "La ilaha illa Allah" (There is no god but Allah).
5. Historical records mention Viking converts to Islam, such as the Viking king Olof Skötkonung, who may have converted to Islam during his travels.
6. Islamic influence can be seen in Viking art and craftsmanship, such as the use of Arabic calligraphy and geometric patterns.
7. The Vikings may have introduced Islamic ideas and customs to England, influencing the development of English culture.

These examples illustrate the complex and fascinating history of cultural exchange between Viking and Islamic cultures.

Where does the evidence that Olof converted to Islam in his travels?

(What travels?)

The Vikings didn’t care what god you worshipped. Believe what you want but when we have a mission get done.

What you are saying here is our
Just replace the word Viking
And insert
Military Veterans

No your perception is incorrect. That’s my opinion

Olof III "the Treasurer", king of Sweden is my 27th great grandfather.

Olof III "the Treasurer", king of Sweden is your 25th great grandfather.
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I do not concern myself with modern claims made in an effort to rewrite history.
Besides Islam holds no bearing on my faith whether true or not.
I personally have no dog in such a fight...

Olof III "the Treasurer", king of Sweden is my 28th great grandfather.

Olof III "the Treasurer", king of Sweden is my 22nd great grandmother's husband's third great grandfather.

It is important to remember that being a "Viking" was an occupation, and although they were mainly from the Nordic countries, individuals from other places might have joined them along the way.

The "Vikings" were practical and pragmatic individuals. They were able to adopt influences and objects from other religions without feeling that these threatened their own beliefs. This flexibility and practicality helped them thrive in a variety of cultural and religious environments. Numerous artifacts from the Viking pagan religion have survived, such as runestones, sacrificial items, and god figures that are related to their traditional beliefs.

Amulets and talismans were used as protective and luck-bringing symbols, representing the Vikings' own religious heritage. The discovery of these items demonstrates that the Vikings interacted with many different cultures and adopted objects and influences from these cultures.

Artifacts from Viking Age graves and archaeological excavations have shown evidence of several different religions and cultures. The Vikings believed in an afterlife and thought that the deceased would need their personal belongings, weapons, and treasures in the next life. The items placed in the grave were part of the deceased's preparation for the journey to the afterlife. The treasures placed in the grave reflected the deceased's status and wealth during their lifetime. The more significant the person, the more valuable the items in the grave might have been. This emphasized the deceased's social status even after death. The valuables in the graves only indicate this and do not suggest a connection of "being a muslim".

- Dirham coins are evidence of trade rather than cultural or religious conversion.

- Christian crosses and pendants have been found in Viking graves, particularly towards the end of the Viking Age, as Christianity began to spread in Scandinavia.

- Small crucifix-like objects have been discovered in some Viking Age graves, indicating the growing influence of Christianity.

- Some items suggesting Buddhist influence have been found in Viking Age contexts related to trade routes in Eastern Europe and Central Asia.

As a result of Viking trade, their possessions also included items reflecting other Eastern religions and cultures. However, these items do not indicate that the Vikings were Muslims or had converted to Buddhism; rather, they are evidence of cultural exchange and trade.

Can you provide your source for the necklace found in Norway?

Do you mean this discovery?

The Inscription on Silk Ribbons:
In 2017, Annika Larsson, an archaeologist from Uppsala University in Sweden, announced the discovery of decorative patterns on silk ribbons from Viking Age graves in Birka. These patterns initially seemed to resemble Arabic kufic script. The ribbons were examined by turning them and looking at them through a mirror. Larsson claimed that the patterns on the ribbons included the words "Allah" and "Ali."

However, subsequent studies and more detailed analyses revealed that these patterns were not kufic script but rather traditional Viking Age geometric designs that did not contain any actual writing. The initial interpretation and the considerable media attention it received were widely criticized. Experts pointed out that misunderstandings and sensational claims can mislead and distort historical understanding.

They also noted that erroneous interpretations could spread widely before more thorough research could be conducted. This case underscores the importance of conducting meticulous and accurate research before making significant historical claims. Initial findings must be carefully checked and analyzed to prevent the spread of incorrect information.

This case illustrates how scientific news can gain widespread attention and generate interest. However, it is crucial that the media presents information in a balanced and accurate manner to ensure that the public does not form a mistaken understanding.

According to historical accounts, Olof Skötkonung was the first king of Sweden to convert to Christianity, and there is no evidence what so ever, that he converted to Islam.

There is no historical evidence that the Vikings had a significant impact on English culture through Islamic ideas. The Viking influence in England is primarily related to trade and settlement, not Islamic influences.

Private User
Thank you.

"Artifacts from Viking Age graves and archaeological excavations have shown evidence of several different religions and cultures."
True.
Also, DNA from the graves has proven there was more diversity than expected.
Considering their travels and their slave trade this is not that surprising.

About "Inscription on Silk Ribbons: In 2017, Annika Larsson".
This is interesting.
It shows how keen (too keen?) many archaeologists, historians, scientists are to find these things.
Some of them have their own modern political reasons for this.
But all of them have to adapt to the realities of how they get funding for their projects.
It is hard to get any money at all.
It is MUCH easier to get funding if you present angles like this in your applications.
Which is forcing everyone to do it.

I'm all for finding evidence of female warriors and Viking age immigrants to Scandinavia.
But it needs to be based on proper science. And there should be money going to other projects as well.

First:

"Christian King

Included in the Westrogothic law from c. 1240 is the first brief Swedish chronicle, which begins with Olof Skötkonung. It relates that Olof was baptized in Husaby in Västergötland by the missionary Sigfrid, and made generous donations on spot. At Husaby parish church, there is a sign commemorating his baptism; nearby is a well thought to be the same sacred spring where Olof was baptized."

in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olof_Sk%C3%B6tkonung

Bibliography

Bagge, Sverre (2014). Cross and Scepter: The Rise of the Scandinavian Kingdoms from the Vikings to the Reformation. Princeton University Press.

Mats G. Larsson, Götarnas riken: Upptäcktsfärder till Sveriges enande. Stockholm: Atlantis, 2002, p. 185.

He was Christian. Catholic.

Second:

"The majority of women in the Viking period were housewives, who managed the housekeeping on the farm with a firm hand. It is also possible that there were female entrepreneurs, who worked in textile production in the towns.

(...) The Viking woman could choose a husband and later decide not to marry him after all, if she so wished."

in https://en.natmus.dk/historical-knowledge/denmark/prehistoric-perio...

So... Scandinavian women "dreaming" of sharing husbands???
Nonsense.

Tak Private User for the great answer.

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Changing a little the subject.
But it is still linked to this discussion.

It's good to make clear the following (about Mrs. Nielsen's words above):

It was not an "Islamic Spain" as accepted by the local population. Spain as one kingdom is a modern country.

The Ancient Hispaniae (Hispania) territory, was a group of diverse kingdoms formed by different tribes, such as of Goths &Visigoths (Germanic tribes), Suevi or Suebi (Scandinavian tribe), and the Celts (celtíberos of Galicia and North Portugal). Hispaniae was INVADED by the Muslims. They also invaded Portugal.

The Ancestors of the modern Portuguese, Spanish, and Brazilians for example, were fighting and dying to be able to expel them. It took 700 years to get the freedom again.

For a serious bibliography check the description of this video of a Historian on YouTube who is very popular because he can address to the public using a pragmatic way:

https://youtu.be/ZItbfNAAd_c

Maybe the most important modern book and for sure well-ranked as a scholarly work about the subject is this one:

https://www.amazon.com/Myth-Andalusian-Paradise-Christians-Medieval...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historia_de_regibus_Gothorum,_Vandalo...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celtiberians

https://www.history.com/topics/ancient-rome/goths-and-visigoths

All good answers.

Individuals are also complex, and likely always have been. I think we should keep an open mind and not be so quick to try and label the belief system of an individual who lived so long ago. Who are we to say?

Modern people draw on multiple influences. I'm wearing a Mjǫllnir as I type, in a room with a large statue of Buddha. I feel at peace listing to Christian monks chanting, love art from the Muslim world and routinely listen to Indian protection mantras.

If pressed on my beliefs, I am at home in nature. I feel the old ways. It seems completely natural to me that a long ago ancestor could have also appreciated jewelry, fabric, music, wisdom, etc. It is not at odds at all.

Olof III "the Treasurer", king of Sweden is my paternal and maternal 27th great grandfather. through his daughters Astrid Olofsdotter av Sverige, Queen of Norway and Ingegerd Olafsdotter Olofsdotter, Sweden of Kiev.

Arabic and Frankish coins have also been found on the former island of Wieringen, the Netherlands, the base of Rorik van Dorestad.
Dorestad was an important international trading post where merchants from all over Europe and Asua came together.
Luxury items such as silk from Asia, fur and amber from Scandinavia were bought and sold there. The city also had the right to mint coins, through trade foreign (Arabic) coins also ended up in the city.
In the late 1990s 3 Viking hoards were discovered on the island, the first is in the Museum of Antiquities, Leiden, the Netherlands.

https://www.rmo.nl/en/collection/highlights-collection/viking-hoard/

My shortest link to Olof III "the Treasurer", king of Sweden my paternal and maternal 27th great grandfather, from my proven paternal and maternal ancestor John II, Duke of Brabant via Ingegerd Olafsdotter Olofsdotter, Sweden of Kiev.

John II, Duke of Brabant and Limburg my proven paternal and maternal 18th great grandfather → Jan I the Victorious, Duke of Brabant and Limburg (his father) → Adelheid of Brabant (his mother)
→ Yolande de Dreux (her mother)
→ Robert III "Gasteblé" comte de Dreux (her father)
→ Robert II, count of Dreux and Braine (his father)
→ Robert I, Comte de Dreux (his father)
→ Louis VI the Fat, king of France (his father)
→ Philip I, king of France (his father)
→ Anna of Kiev, Queen Consort of the Franks (his mother)
→ Ingegerd Olafsdotter Olofsdotter, Sweden (her mother)

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