Ealdred, Earl of Northumbria & Bernicia - Who was the mother of Ealdred, Earl of Northumbria & Bernicia?

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Sharon Doubell can we clarify? There’s conflicting evidence.

Your curator note has:

Ealdred, Earl of Bernicia
Parents: Uchtred, Earl of Northumbria & Ecgfrida, daughter of Aldhun, bishop of Durham.

Uchtred "the Bold", Earl of Northumbria & Ecgfrida

However, Anne Bergen’s curator note for his father has:
Uchtred of Northumbria. Son of Waltheof & his wife. Married: 1. Ecgfrida
2. Sigen 3. Ælfgifu, daughter of Æthelred.
Children: w Sigen: 1. Ealdred. 2. Eadwulf 3. Gospatric.
w Ælfgifu: 1. Ealdgyth 2. daughter, marrried Æthelgar

Sigen Styrsdóttir

According to MedLands

http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ENGLAND,%20AngloSaxon%20nobility.ht...

  • UHTRED, son of WALTHEOF Earl of Northumbria & his wife --- (-murdered 1016).
    • m firstly (repudiated) as her first husband, ECGFRIDA, daughter of ALDUN Bishop of Durham & his wife --- (
      , bur Durham).
    • m secondly SIGEN, daughter of STYR Ulfsson & his wife ---. Simeon of Durham's Account of the Siege of Durham records the marriage of "Cospatric's son…Ucthred" (although from the context "Cospatric" appears to be an error for "Waltheof") and "the daughter of a rich citizen…Styr the son of Ulf…Sigen"[427].
    • m thirdly ([1009/16]) ÆLFGIFU, daughter of ÆTHELRED II King of England & his first wife Ælfgiva ---.

Earl Uhtred & his [second] wife had three children:
1. EALDRED (-murdered Risewood 1039). … m ---. The name of Ealdred's wife is not known. Ealdred & his wife had five children: …
2. EADWULF (-murdered 1041). Simeon of Durham names "Aldred, Eadulf and Cospatric" as the three sons of "Uchtred"[449]. Earl of Northumbria. m as her second husband, SIGRIDA, [widow] of ARKIL (son of Fridegist), daughter of KILVERT & his wife Ecgfrida. Eadwulf & his wife had [two] children: …
3. GOSPATRICK . m ---. The name of Gospatrick's wife is not known. Gospatrick & his wife had one child: …

The tree looks correct, it’s just the curator note?

Also, the name of Ealdred’s daughter, Etheldritha who married Orm fitz Gamel is also seen as Aetheldryth and as Aethelflaed. I’m pretty sure they’re all the same person but a double check wouldn’t hurt.

That discussion is at https://www.geni.com/discussions/277970?msg=1695659

Thanks for the alert - taking a look, Erica...

oooh, and there's a blood feud involved - "the most remarkable private feud in English history".[2] Richard Fletcher gives an account in his book Bloodfeud: Murder and Revenge in Anglo-Saxon England. Private User might be interested for her podcast.

Okay, so Cawley isn't sure, from his sources, which of Uhtred's first two wives is the mother, and Wikipedia's choice of Sigen Styrsdóttir is sourceless, so useless.

Probably, the most accurate rendition would be to show the mother as a new UNKNOWN MOTHER OF ELDRED profile
- with a Curator note saying that its either ECGFRIDA, daughter of Aldun, Bishop of Durham or SIGEN, daughter of Styr Ulfsson

but I'm just as happy to leave it as it is in the tree to agree with Private User's CN on the father. I'll just add a note that it's not certain.

On the question of the name of Etheldritha

ETHELDREDA . Simeon of Durham's Account of the Siege of Durham records that "Earl Aldred was the father of five daughters, three of whom bore the same name Ælfleda, the fourth…Aldgitha and the fifth Etheldritha"[446]. Simeon of Durham's Account of the Siege of Durham records the marriage of "Etheldritha, one of the five daughters of earl Aldred" and "a certain thane of Yorkshire called Orm the son of Gamel"[447]. m ORM, son of GAMEL & his wife ---. Orm & his wife had one child: i) ECGFRIDA https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ENGLAND,%20AngloSaxon%20nobility.h...

From your Discussion here https://www.geni.com/discussions/277970?msg=1695659

www.geni.com/media/proxy?media_id=6000000205016362858&size=large

[A Study of Marriage and Murder in Eleventh-century Northumbria:Issue 82 By Christopher J. Morris]

So, the source for 'Aethelflaed'?

The mother on Geni: Ædgina, Countess of Northumbria & Bernicia (wife of Ealdred, Earl of Northumbria & Bernicia)
NN

is sourceless - and contradicts Cawley's finding NO Sources for her name.
I'm returning her name to NN, if Jason Scott Wills is good with that.

If I got it right, the blood feud ended the Anglo Saxons.


https://spaf.cerias.purdue.edu/pers/ralph.pdf PDF page 11 page 2-3

GAMELBEORN or GAMELBAR de SPOFORD, son of Gamel, Lord of Spofforth, Plumpton, etc. Soon avenged his father’s death by an attack on Tosti, culminating in a revolt of the Northumbrians in 1066 in which many of his bodyguard were slain. Harold traveled to York to restore tranquillity, and Morcar was made Earl of Northumberland the same year.

In 1066, Tosti induced the King of Norway to join him in an invasion of England. They stormed York and defeated Morcar, but were themselves defeated by Harold at Stamford Bridge on 23rd September 1066, in a battle in which both Tosti and the King of Norway were slain. Ten days after this victory, Harold himself was defeated and slain at Hastings.

Thus, the murder of Gamelbar’s father, leading up to the battle of Stamford Bridge, thereby preventing Harold from giving his whole energies to guarding against the impending invasion by William the Conqueror, became a potent cause of the downfall of the Anglo- Saxons.


Anne's probably already done a podcsast on it then :-)

Ooooh, Anne has NOT but will put the badly behaved people on the list.

Etheldrith and Aetheldrith would be the same name, but Aethelflaed is different. One means noble strength and one means noble beauty. I see them conflated in various places but no.

;-) look forward to hearing it

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