Bældæg, king in Westphalia - Odin, Jesus, and other supernatural figures

Re: I think we can disprove Odin, Zeus, Jesus, and countless other religious/supernatural figures existing, due to the fact the Chinese and other civilizations that have a written history that predates such beings, not to mention the supposed 6,000 year age of the earth.

Are you suggesting the Earth is 6,000 years old? Or disputing this? I hope the latter.

What does the timeline of Chinese written history have to do with Odin, Jesus or Bældæg, king in Westphalia? Are you suggesting there is no support for Odin (or Jesus or ___) possibly being real people because we cannot find evidence in the Chinese history of them?

It is not clear what you're suggesting with respect to Bældæg, king in Westphalia's profile. The oral history referencing descent from Odin is mentioned, but no path to Odin exists.

I think you may be confusing creation stories with your intended point re: historical figures in various religions in part of your discussion. Christianity may be on my list of least favorite things in the world but I do believe Jesus probably existed (just differently than has been proclaimed). As far as I know, nobody/no religion is saying that the world began the minute he was born or that humans didn't exist before that moment in time. They believe Adam and Eve were the first people waaaay before Jesus (which I do not agree with as there are ample historic facts that prove otherwise). Likewise, the Norse creation story doesn't involve Odin, either. He came in to the picture way later -- after Adhumbla and Emir and many others. I don't believe anyone has ever said that life for man didn't exist before Odin. But perhaps I'm completely misunderstanding you as your post is not entirely clear (as the previous commenter pointed out).

I'm not saying Jesus appeared at creation; as I have read the Bible cover to cover, thus I'm families with its chronology. There are indeed Christians who insist the world is 6,000 years old, just as we have flat earthers. My issue is; by wanting to prove Jesus existed; folks are inserting mythical individuals into family trees, resulting in Members not knowing where real family members end and these mythical individuals begin. As I said; I noticed a huge lack of data in the part of the tree where this occured.

My point is; I am concerned about the sloppy work I see connecting those in the tree to Jesus, degrading the quality of evidence in the family tree. Others mentioned how there are folks who keep making trees connect to Adam and Eve, and Jesus, because they believe we are all related to these.three individuals. I use multiple genealogy sites; and one of the ones I use separates such mythical family trees from the rest of their database; not to discourage folks from making or building such trees, but to map tain the integrity of their genealogical data.

Also, some place in looking back at this tree, somewhere it states Jesus was born in Utah, something I think would offend Christians who believe he was born in the Middle East. So, I am concerned about how this could lead to the same sort of arguments we see on social media sites, where folks argue over their different religious beliefs.

I hope this makes sense.

Hi Karrie

I definitely think the world is way older than 6,000 years old, lol. My point in bringing up the Chinese and other populations is; religious figures like Oden, Zeus, etc, wouldn't exist in a bubble, so the populations outside the influence of these various religions should also report observing the phenomena reported within these religions. It's sort of like a case of mass hysteria in a small Mexican Town, where a small group of believers stated the sun was zipping around in the sky. I er time the number of claimed observers grew; and their claims more outrageous. As expected; no such reports or observations were made by those outside this group, not to mention the lack of the impacts such an event would have on the earth. So, due to the lack of independent evidence; we can logically discard these claims. By doing the same with various religious claims from Jesus to Odin, we can at a minimum show they are questionable claims,

We have to do this with such claims as Aliens building.tje Pyramids, and other man made monuments and structures archeologists have discovered. If we don't do this our history will become even less accurate than it is, due to the tendency to be written by the powerful/winners.

Hi guys

I meant to say; Geni keeps these fictitious family trees separate; to preserve the quality of their database, while sites like Familysearch.org makes the mistake of not doing this. This makes me think those of us who also use that site, should take their information with a brain of salt. I think this is what I failed to make clear earlier. I am concerned about how sites that do this could cloud the accuracy of sites like Geni. Sorry for the confusion.

HI Earnest,

We cannot begin to know everything ancient humans experienced, especially if we are going to require written proof. I'm not going to pretend to know something of all of the gods the polytheistic ancient Chinese honored. They honored ancestors which is good enough for me!

Robert

I agree, it's been longer than in the past; but for a long time about every 10 years, some biblical schollers would public announce the Bible like all religious texts is symbolic, but of course there is no convincing the literalist crowd. I don't mind that folks believe; I just have a problem with them passing laws that limit the rights and freedoms of others, based on their belief.

Karrie

I agree; and even though we may not share their faith or have any faith at all, we can still appreciate various aspects of their faith.

It is my understanding that it is at the discretion of the "Administrators" of the Geni platform to determine what historical or even Mythical figures will or will not be allowed on Geni. If you have concerns about a particular figure presented on Geni who you believe is fictional or Myth, then you need to discuss it with the curator who has been assigned to manage that page or otherwise the Admin.

Honestly this discussion was hard to follow but if were discussing the fact that these people don't have ample historical evidence to be linked to actual existence, it's untrue. It's very obvious coming from a realistic standpoint that some stories surrounding these people may be exaggerated because of years of separation and personal bias in record keeping. If a person has enough records to prove their actual existence, then they should be incorporated into the tree. however, their personal profiles should be kept deliberately vague so that we can avoid the conflicts between curators based on their personal beliefs.

It's been a captivating discussion.

A primary source is usually a contemporary document or artifact from the studied period. Figures like Odin present a challenge since references to them were recorded after their era. Including them in genealogical trees requires balancing historical accuracy with cultural significance. Whether a primary or a secondary source is truthful is a separate consideration.

Bældæg, king in Westphalia is your 50th great grandfather.

Bældæg, king in Westphalia is my 51st great grandfather.

Like it or not, the bible is NOT an HISTORY book. I've heard many experts on this and they converge to the same conclusion.

I'm also eclectic like Karrie and Ernest are. (maybe others as well, I have eyes strain now so I can not do more...)