Nancy Colquhoun - Speculative Lineages Create Genealogical Problems

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yesterday at 9:24 PM

I see the only note in Nancy's profile states:

Nancy's ancestry is not verified and is only speculative at this point.

which means that none of her lineage on Geni is proven but is surely to be copied into trees on other sites without checking for sources, etc. and perpetuate the speculative lineage.

It seems best, in my opinion, to never include such speculative lineages on Geni for these reasons and the fact that they give speculative pathways to other connections, like ancestors that may not be our ancestors at all. If /when proof is found to validate a lineage, then the connections can always be made. No reason to just throw some in that may or may not be correct.

yesterday at 10:27 PM

The note is from 2009.

We need to create a biography before taking action.

I see in the profile for Alexander Colquhoun of Luss

Biographical Summary Family Group Sheet

Marriage contract between Helen (Margaret) Buchanan and Sir Alexander Colquhoun of Luss dated 18 Aug 1595

Children: 6 sons, 5 daughters

2nd daughter: Name: Nancy Colquhoun Born: ABT. 1608 at: Dumbarton, Scotland Married: at: Died: UNKNOWN at: Corkagh, Co. Donegal, Ireland Spouses:

So, that’s not speculative.

Unproven perhaps, but not speculative.

yesterday at 10:32 PM

A fairly reliable tree citing Stirnet Colquhoun01 shows her married to John McAuselan (only)

John McAuselan

With Geni missing daughter

Katherine McAuselan Married to Robert Colquhoun

So perhaps the “speculative” is meant about Andrew McCausland who is showing with unrealistic dates & a note that his wife is unknown

yesterday at 10:36 PM

Sorry, here we are.

Katherine McAuselan m Sir Robert Colquhoun, Laird of Colquhoun

Bio in profile, and will add the

yesterday at 10:49 PM

Katherine McAuselan Married to Robert Colquhoun is my connection and why I was posting about Nancy's profile stating her connection is speculative.

Thanks for helping confirm the connections, Erica Howton

yesterday at 11:05 PM

References

  1. Crosley, Charles (1904). Descent and Alliances of Croslegh, or Crossle, or Crossley of Scaitcliffe: and Coddington of Oldbridge; and Evans of Eyton Hall, London: Priv. print., The De La More press. Page 189-190. < Hathitrust >
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Today at 12:47 AM

Nancy Colquhoun is mentioned in her father's last will and testament dated 16 and 17 May 1617.

The Chiefs of Colquhoun. Volume I: 230
https://archive.org/details/chiefsofcolquhou01fras/page/230/mode/1ups

However, I don't see any evidence which proves that it was this child who married John McAuselan in 1621.

Today at 2:26 AM
Today at 2:39 AM

https://www.stirnet.com/genie/data/british/cc4aq/colquhoun01.php only covers the two oldest children of

  • ((3)) Alexander Colquhoun of Luss (d 23.05.1617)
    • m. (mcrt 18.08.1595) Helen Buchanan (dau of George Buchanan of that ilk)
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Today at 8:09 AM

Descent and alliances of Croslegh, or Crossle, or Crossley, of Scaitcliffe; and Coddington of Oldbridge; and Evans, of Eyton hall:

https://archive.org/details/descentalliances00cros/page/231/mode/1up

Today at 12:28 PM

3 John MacAuselan, m. Nans, second dau. of Alexander Colquhoun of Luss, and had, with other issue, a dau. : —

Katharine MacAuselan, in. her first cos., Robert Colquhoun, q. v. s.

Today at 12:40 PM

I think the Geni tree got garbled a bit here:

Baron MacAuselan of Glenduglas

I added what I think is correct to the “about” and now going to look for more sourcing.

https://archive.org/details/descentalliances00cros/page/231/mode/1up

Today at 12:56 PM

Excellent info! Thanks to everyone for the links.

Today at 1:03 PM

Debbie Gambrell - who’s your American immigrant? I just found an internet archive book that probably traces in USA. Free to borrow on line:

https://archive.org/details/genealogyofmccas00scog

Today at 1:17 PM

Is the parentage of John McAuselan who married Nancy Colquhoun correct as Charles McAuselan son of Baron McAuselan

Today at 1:18 PM

My line descendants from son James of Catherine Hamilton and Rev. Alexander Colquhoun. He immigrated from Ireland to Pennsylvania and was married to Catherine Montgomery.

Today at 1:20 PM

Erica, if you can access this link: I'm from James and Catherine's son William who ended up in SC and was married to Agnes Long. They were part of the Long Cane's massacre families.

https://www.ancestry.com/imageviewer/collections/61175/images/colon...

I can't copy and paste from the document to here.

Today at 1:28 PM

Full citation from Ancestry.com

Mackenzie, George Norbury, and Nelson Osgood Rhoades, editors. Colonial Families of the United States of America: in Which is Given the History, Genealogy and Armorial Bearings of Colonial Families Who Settled in the American Colonies From the Time of the Settlement of Jamestown, 13th May, 1607, to the Battle of Lexington, 19th April, 1775. 7 volumes. 1912. Reprinted, Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., 1966, 1995. Volume VI, “Calhoun Family.” Page 123. < AncestrySharing >. Issue of James and Catherine (Montgomery) Calhoun … ii. William, of South Carolina, Justice of the Peace; m. 19th October, 1749, Agnes Long.

I’ll print the page as PDF and add to that profile.

Today at 1:30 PM

Erica, what has me dizzy is that in my Ancestry tree these folks trace up on my dad's paternal side, being descendants of one of the survivors of the Long Cane massacre, but the pathway on Geni is on my mom's side, so I've got to sort it out where the overlap is. Right now just trying to get them correctly connected so I don't get any more confused. lol

Today at 1:38 PM

Awesome! Thank goodness for Geni push pin! Both my parents are 10th great-grandchildren of John McAuselan:

MY DAD: Tom Gambrell is John McAuselan's 10th great grandson.
John McAuselan
→ Katherine McAuselan
his daughter → William Campbell Colquhoun
her son → Rev. Alexander Calhoun
his son → James Calhoun
his son → William Calhoun
his son → Ann Quarles Mathews (Calhoun)
his daughter → James D. Mathis (Mathews)
her son → Alcy Pearl Jones (Mathis)
his daughter → Elizabeth Hester (Jones)
her daughter → Robbie Adelaide Gambrell (Hester)
her daughter → Sol Gambrell
her son → Tom Gambrell
his son

MY MOM'S CONNECTION:
Tom Gambrell is John McAuselan's 10th great granddaughter's ex-husband.
John McAuselan
→ Katherine McAuselan
his daughter → William Campbell Colquhoun
her son → Rev. Alexander Calhoun
his son → Frances Hamilton (Calhoun)
his daughter → Susannah Townsend (Hamilton)
her daughter → Susanna Artalissa Terrell (Stephens)
her daughter → Mary 'Polly' Hodges (Terral / Terrell)
her daughter → Susan Clark (Hodges)
her daughter → Mary Alice Sumrall (Clark)
her daughter → Mary Poline Morgan (Sumrall)
her daughter → John Tyler Morgan Sr.
her son → Roz Morgan
his daughter → Tom Gambrell
her ex-husband

Today at 2:35 PM

Well, we still need to cleanup, cite, merge any dups etc. Scotland > Ireland > America is tricky. It this is definitely a better sourced lineage than most I see, so we’re almost there.

Today at 2:57 PM

I just added some info to

John McAuselan

He seems to be connected to the wrong parents. I added a screenshot under his Media tab and copied and pasted into his About section the info related to that screenshot.

I really appreciate your eyes on all this. It has had my head spinning because I'm related via both parents and the Colquhouns and McAuselan folks seemed to have intermarired several times, so just a huge tangle of kinfolk. lol I used to could work on these kinds of scenarios than I seem able to these days. It used to envigorate me and now it's mentally exhausting. Getting old, Erica - I turned 75 this year. I felt great until about 2018 and it has been a bit of a downhill slide ever since, healthwise. Getting older isn't for the wimpy. Anyway, I will keep doing what I can while I can, trying to get it all as correct as I can for my son and other kinfolk. All that said to make the point of how very much I appreciate your assistance on lines like these. You have resources and know-how that I lack. So much of these kinds of lines in our tree would have a lot more errors in them and get perpetuated all over the place if it weren't for the collaboration on Geni.

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