Help appreciated with confusing fathers

His father could have died before he was born. They could not have been religious. They could have been unreligious. I don't know how to phrase it, but maybe they were not religious. Sephardim sometimes name people after living people, but usually grandparents and not a lot of Sephardim are from Ukraine.

I agree with Lawrence. His father could have died before he was born so a lot of people give the child the name of the father (I heard of a few people like that). Sephardim sometimes name people after living people, but usually grandparents (which is by them a great honor.

The real issue is what were Abraham "Harry" Marder and his father's Hebrew and Yiddish names? Do you have images of grave inscriptions? The situations identified by others are possible. Perhaps more likely: the father and son did not have the same Hebrew and Yiddish names, but the son adopted an Americanized name that is causing you confusion.

It says Abraham son of Shlomo.

Other possibilites are that Shlomo "Americanized" his name to Abe; or that the NY Census taker made a mistake.

Need somebody with better Hebrew than I have.
Abraham's Gravestone = https://images.findagrave.com/photos/2010/235/57645946_128270299982...
First full line of Hebrew is
[Avraham] is Abraham
bar = son of the revered
[Shlomah]
And then what is that last one?

Is the last word in that first full line of Hebrew 'And Ada' or??

Hi Ashley – The headstone and JewishGen both say that Abraham's father was Shlomo, which is a Yiddish variant of Solomon. Therefore, whatever other records may say, they do not and cannot negate that Abraham was the son of Shlomo.

Clearly, the family embraced the idea of naming children after the most important figures in Jewish history, as reflected in the Hebrew Bible. That effectively excludes the notion that the family was secular and bereft of Jewish tradition (which was extremely uncommon in the Russian Pale of Settlement).

It's almost impossible to imagine that Shlomo would have adopted "Abe" or any other diminutive or variant of Abraham (let alone the full name itself) as his Americanised name upon entering the United States.

Depending on the veracity and reliability of the sources that identify Shlomo as "Abraham (Harry)", it seems that the only explanation is that a non-Jewish bureaucrat (whether at Ellis Island or during a subsequent census) just misheard/misunderstood/misspelled "Shlomo" and wrote "Abe"; the bureaucrat could have also mistakenly written Abe/Abraham twice, and/or was careless, etc. I've encountered such sloppiness several times. Names are sometimes spelled 3 different ways in 3 consecutive censuses!

I hope that helps you feel better able to reconcile these apparent disparities.

Are Samuel and Abraham twins?
I have created a branch to work on the "siblings" of Abraham in that 1915 Census.
So far, Samuel Marder = Samuel Marder

The Hebrew says: “Avrohom ben Shlomo and Aida” (I've used the Ashkenazic transliteration, not the Sephardi ("modern") transliteration.

BTW, if there was a sibling of Abraham called Samuel, that bolsters my suggestion above that the family was fond of biblical names.

I found birth records and the Death Certificate for Abe, who was listed as head of household in the 1915 census. His parents were Wolf and Gitel or William and Gussie in the English record. This Abe died in 1921 and is buried at Montefiore cemetery in Queens. The headstone for Abraham Marder, who died in 1977, reads his father was Shlomo. You will not get Abraham from Shlomo no matter how you turn it from Hebrew to Yiddish to English. Do we have any source record that proves the Abraham Marder in the 1915 census is the same one buried in 1977? True, the age is correct, but other than that?

Tablet needs to be charged soon. Still do not have that branch connected to the World Tree.
But Documents I have added are Public.

Of the other children of Abe in that 1915 Census, have marriage records for 3 so far - all have father a variation of Abraham, mother Sheva.

Daniel Paul Stepel, (Geni Curator) - Abe / Harry appears on later Censuses - eg 1925, 1930 - so he is not the one who died in 1921, that is someone different.

Private User and the rest reading this - Please consider the possibility that Abraham Marder, father of Sylvia, was not the son of Abe and Sheva despite what the 1915 Census taker wrote.

Have found the 1913 Marriage record for Abram Marder and Riva Marder: https://www.geni.com/documents/view?doc_id=6000000201224129848
RIVA's parents are Hersh and Sheva Marder.
Abram's parents are Solomon and Ada Weinstein.

I now think Abraham, father of Sylvia, is really the son-in-law of Abe and Sheva, not the son as the 1915 Census taker put down.
Also now think Abe spouse of Sheva was probably Avram Hirsh or something similar.

And note on 1915 Census Abraham is M for Married, not yet widowed -- think Rita daughter of Abe & Sheva is also wife of Abraham, mother of Sylvia, the one later referred to as Ruth.

What think you?

Notice on 1913 Marriage of Abram Marder and Riva Marder that Riva's home address is the same as for the Abe & Sheva Marder family on the 1915 NY Census for added support to my theory.

Am tagging folks in documents as if my theory is fact. That can be easily changed if need be.

Private User - you are most welcome! Was so thrilled when I found that 1913 Marriage Record.
My guess - Abe's Hebrew name was Avram Hirsh or some such. I have known a number of folks who were known best to some by their first name, others called them by their middle name. Probably same or similar thing going on there with Abe / Harry - possibly varying depending on who the Census taker got the info from.

See you added a mother for Ruth and. Set up a Merge of it with the Sheva Marder I had created.
I accepted. But - they are each in a separate tree - so it needs Curator Powers to complete it.
(Thought it had shown both sides as checked - now only see my side as checked)

But it does say at top "Ashley Odell and Lois Lubin think these profiles are the same." - you manage one side, I manage the other. But that is not good enough.