Thomas Jefferson, Sr. - Thomas Jefferson's DNA

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https://www.monticello.org/research-education/blog/on-the-welshness/

Dumas Malone, in Jefferson the Virginian, remarked rather dismissively on the Jeffersons’ claim to originate in Wales, “Whether they ever did seems to be beyond the possibility of historical verification and the matter is of no real importance.” …

… While these may indeed be evidence of a particular interest in Wales, I do feel compelled to point out that, based on his house, books and other possessions, Thomas Jefferson appeared to be interested in almost everything.

… The DNA tests proved no such thing, however, and indeed the results seem to make it even less likely that the Jefferson family originated in Wales. To summarize very briefly, DNA tests were performed on 85 men with the last name “Jefferson” at the University of Leicester, and only 2 of them turned out to have the same Y chromosome as our Jefferson. These two men, whose relation to President Jefferson was estimated at about 11 generations back, had ancestral ties in Yorkshire and the West Midlands, respectively. I have just looked at a map and can tell you with some authority that neither of those are in Wales. …

Dumas Malone source: https://archive.org/details/jeffersonhistime01malo/page/n21/mode/1up
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/dna-tests-prove-jeffe...
Wikipedia includes Thomas Jefferson DNA: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_haplogroups_of_historic_peopl...
Possible Jewish Y DNA of Thomas Jefferson 2007:
https://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/28/us/28jefferson.html
From the National Library of Medicine:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17274013/#:~:text=This%20is%20suppo....
https://www.csueastbay.edu/museum/files/docs/exhibit/dna/dna-thomas...

Correction on the last link above from the AMERICAN JOURNAL OF PHYSICAL ANTHROPOLOGY: https://www.csueastbay.edu/museum/files/docs/exhibit/dna/dna-thomas...

My DNA is not a Y it is G-whiz! LOL but you are correct on your complex analyst.

Jimmie Webster Mace, hahahaha!

I never did my DNA, but I have assisted my sister with hers. So I can only say that I have dabbled in it.

However, it isn't so hard to read reports of other professionals when they have already looked at and studied it.

Private User I'm still laughing!

I’d like to know what his dna results are you speak of!

Amy Sue Taylor, QG9415421 I gather from the published paper Linda linked for us that he was yDNA haplogroup K2.

From his paternal Geni profile it appears they have no known paternal ancestors. But I take it on faith based on the study his known paternal ancestors were indeed from Yorkshire.

However, that does not (imho) mean that his family could not have been "from Wales". They may well have been living in Wales around the time they emigrated to Virginia.

"Our family originated in Wales" is not quite the same as saying "our family is Welsh."

Does anyone know what ship they arrived on?

Private User - there are two current theories, and the Monticello Foundation lists them both, but has not made a decision. I presume research is ongoing.

The standard genealogies and authorities such as Gary Boyd Roberts, “Genealogies of American Presidents,” also do not go further back than Thomas Jefferson, Sr.

From the profile “about”:

Disputed Origins

Parents: Samuel & (Elizabeth.) Or - Thomas's father may have been a John Jefferson who arrived in 1619 aboard the ship Bonahora ("Thomas Jefferson," by William Eleroy Curtis).

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Jefferson-111

Two Theories of his Heritage

Thomas Jefferson, Sr., was born in the British West Indies, on Saint Christopher island, ca. 1640, the son of Samuel Jefferson, aka Jeaffreson (b. 1607 in Pettistree, Suffolk, England), and Elizabeth Broom (possibly "widow Broom"), b. 1610, in Suffolk, England. It is now believed that his parents married in 1628 in Suffolk, England before they joined Samuel Jefferson on St. Kitts around 1630, where their son, Thomas Jefferson, was born. The family was educated and fairly well-to-do - they would be considered "upper middle class" today. A Thomas Jefferson went to Jamaica in 1656, but the 1670 Census, 14 years later, shows no one there by that name. It is not improbable that the family left the Leeward Islands for Jamaica, before finally settling in the English colony of Virginia. If born in 1649 or earlier he would have been at least 18 by 1667 and thus free to emigrate north. Apparently his parents did not join him in Virginia for Samuel Jeaffreson Jr.'s death was reported in Antigua, BWI, in 1685, at age 78. He is said to have moved to Antigua in 1669 - possibly the same year young Thomas left for Virginia.[1]
Thomas's father may have been a John Jefferson who arrived in 1619 aboard the ship Bonahora.[2]

The Thomas Jefferson Foundation agrees that these are both theories and not proven.[3] For this reason, no parents are attached to this profile.

3. https://www.monticello.org/research-education/thomas-jefferson-ency...


Haplogroup K2 has been renamed as T (M184)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_T-M184

Thanks for the background info, Erica; and Linda too. It's all very interesting. I'll take some time to absorb and process everything.

Debra, :)

As DNA gets better, they might have more answers for all genealogist to use.

This was Pres. Jefferson’s candidate for his immigrant ancestor in more detail:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_life_and_career_of_Thomas_Jeffe...

2. A John Jefferson[8][9] or Mr. Jefferson was a delegate representing the Flowerdieu hundred in the first legislative assembly of Colonial America in 1619.[10][11] The attendee of the 1619 legislative assembly is believed to be an ancestor of President Thomas Jefferson, according to Virginia Biographer Lyon Gardiner Tyler (1898).[12] Thomas Jefferson believed, but was unable to prove, that John Jefferson was his great great grandfather. John arrived in Virginia in 1619, having arrived on the Bonahora[13] or the Bona Nova.[14] He was made a burgess that year and represented the Flowerdieu Hundred at Farolay's Council in Jamestown. He obtained a land patent at Archer's Hope in 1626.[13] He abandoned the property and moved to the West Indies and was back in England by 1645.[15]

15. Virginia Immigrants and Adventurers, 1607-1635: A Biographical Dictionary
By Martha W. McCartney. Page 419.

https://books.google.com/books?id=orDbMGpInaQC&lpg=PA419&vq=%2522Ar...

Erica, Is that biographical dictionary saying that a man named John Jefferson is who Thomas Jefferson believed to be the father of this great grandfather, Thomas Jefferson, Sr.

I see that you had already added this to his profile. I hadn't read that part yet.

I'm wondering where they located that info.

More about John Jefferson, the delegate.
https://sites.rootsweb.com/~vaofp/history/Section%206-16.pdf

I don’t think it’s explicitly written anywhere that John Jefferson was the father of Thomas Jefferson, Sr. Just that John was the earliest ancestor.

I'm wondering where they located that info.

Do you see the abbreviations within parentheses at the end of each brief biography? Those are literature citations.

This includes the same info.

https://flowerdewhundred.org/colonial-and-later-flowerdew/
"In 1619 this property was named Flowerdew Hundred, the designation being a combination of ‘hundred’, an English land division sized between a parish and a county, and the patronymic of Yeardley’s wife, Temperance Flowerdew. By that year the plantation was already represented in the first general assembly by John Jefferson, an ancestor of Thomas Jefferson (Tyler 1906: 211)."

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