Alice Le Fleming (de Greystoke) - wrong husband?

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yesterday at 4:34 PM

Shouldn't her husband be Edgar of Dunbart?

Weis' Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700, 8th Edition, 41:23-24, Edgar of Dunbar was the son of Gospatric II, and was living in 1140. Edgar married to Alice de Greystoke, daughter of Ivo Fitz Frone, Lord of Greystock. 160

https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/SCOTTISH%20NOBILITY.htm#EdgarMAlic...
GOSPATRICK, son of GOSPATRICK Earl of Northumberland & his wife --- (-[killed in battle Cowton Moor, near Northallerton 22 Aug 1138]).
Gospatrick & [his wife] had four children:
3. EDGAR . The first document quoted here indicates that Edgar was illegitimate but none of the other documents corroborate this statement. The History of Richard Prior of Hexham records the devastations of "Eadgarus filius nothus Cospatrici comitis et Robertus et Uctred filii Meldred, principales ac duces" in Northumbria, dated to the 1130s from the context[1493].
m ALICE, daughter of IVO FitzForne of Greystoke, Cumberland & his wife Agnes ---

https://our-royal-titled-noble-and-commoner-ancestors.com/p351.htm#...
Edgar of Beanley de Dunbar1
Last Edited 4 Apr 2020
M, #10528, d. after 1140
Father Gospatrick, 2nd Earl Dunbar, Earl of March, Baron of Beanley b. c 1070, d. 23 Aug 1138
Mother Sybil Morel
Edgar of Beanley de Dunbar married Alice Greystoke, daughter of Ives of Greystock and Agnes FitzWalter.2 Edgar of Beanley de Dunbar died after 1140.
Family
Alice Greystoke
Child
Agnes de Dunbar+
Citations
[S2585] Unknown author, Ancestral Roots of 60 Colonists by F. L. Weis, p. 48.
[S11565] The Scots Peerage, Vol. III, edited by Sir James Balfour Paul, p. 249.

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yesterday at 8:36 PM

Looks like somebody mixed up Alice with her niece, Alice daughter of Walter FitzIvo de Greystoke. Edgar of Dunbar is currently married to the niece; however, the primary source citation provided by MedLands explicitly states that Edgar married Walter's *sister*, not his *daughter*.

(Alice the niece is not found under Walter in MedLands. I have no idea how Michael Le Fleming got into this, as he is usually supposed to have been a generation earlier (c. 1085- after 1154) and to have married somebody (Alice?) de Stuteville. No documentation there either.)

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yesterday at 8:50 PM

By the way, Sir Michael le Fleming has a duplicate at Sir Michael le Fleming (Master Profile).

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yesterday at 9:10 PM

And somebody has been puffing up the Le Fleming ancestry. Hughes de Douai and Adele de Cambrai don't appear to have had a son Michael, and there is no reliable record of a "Beatrix de Beaumont, Countess of Oissy and Cervecoeur".

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