Marilyn Monroe - DNA proof...

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https://buffalonews.com/entertainment/marilyn-monroe-documentary-cl...
https://variety.com/2022/tv/global/marilyn-monroe-documentary-charl...

Label News has just wrapped the production of “Marilyn, Her Final Secret,” an investigative documentary shedding light on the identity of Marilyn Monroe’s biological father whom she never met.

Directed by Francois Pomès, the documentary is based on an exclusive DNA research conducted by Ludovic Orlando, an expert in molecular archaeology working in Southern France. Orlando used a hair sample from Monroe which was provided by John Reznikoff, a renown auctioneer and authenticator, as well a saliva sample from the great-grandchild of Monroe’s suspected father, Charles Stanley Gifford.

The documentary weaves archive footage and interviews chronicling Monroe’s desperate efforts to find her father and connect with him, as well as the scientific journey to come up with DNA evidence.

“The hair that we used from Monroe was collected by the person who embalmed her body the day she died and we were able to draw up 22% of her genetic profile from that thanks to a DNA fragment found in the keratin,” said Pomès, who is also producing the documentary for Label News.

The director-producer said he “spent years and sleepless nights” to deliver this one-hour documentary and reveal once and for all who Monroe’s father was,” as well as break a “family secret.” “The thing that I touched me the most was seeing the reaction of Gifford’s family who were overwhelmed by this irrefutable evidence,” Pomès said.

BASICALLY--- there are TWO projects with a conclusion--- one for the Monroe line of the mother that the CLAN MUNRO hasa been working on and have now announced and then the DNA of Marilyn's identifying her ( Marilyn Monroe 's) BIO FATHER:

Who were Marilyn Monroe's biological parents?
Before adopting her stage name, the star had used the last names Baker (belonging to her mother's first husband) and Mortenson (belonging to her mother's second husband). However, it has been suspected that Monroe's biological father was actually Charles Stanley Gifford, a man who Baker worked for. Apr 5, 2022

The actress's mother, Gladys Pearl Monroe, had ancestral links to Scotland and Clan Munro.
"The origins of name Munro has puzzled historians for generations,” modern day Clan chief, Hector Munro of Foulis, told the BBC.

"Tradition has it that we were mercenary soldiers from near the River Roe in Derry, Northern Ireland, hence the name Munro - Mac an Rothaich in Gaelic. But it had proved impossible to verify."

Monroe’s mother Gladys could trace her father’s line back to John Munro, a prisoner of war exiled to America after the Battle of Worcester during the English Civil War in 1651.

No Munro men who shared the same signature pattern of the male Y chromosome had been found in Scotland, so the link to the Highland clan was uncertain.

Now, the Clan Munro DNA project has finally proved that Marilyn’s forefathers were related to a Munro family from the Moray village of Edinkillie, near Forres.

Need a curator.
This Discussion is due to a PM to the managers on the profile.

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Wow, Thank You for posting. This is neat, and I look forward to when the documetary comes out.

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One of the merges for "Marilyn" had him as father so it will be very interesting to see the end results of these studies.
I only grabbed a few quotes from several different sites so the full picture is surely coming as pertains to the Clan Munro Project-- those guys seem pretty excited lol
I have always loved reading biographies and for some reason, I find Marilyn sad and interesting. I am not so interested in the Hollywood aspect of her life as the personal events. I have a little bit of a Marilyn Monroe collection myself... mostly items others have bought for me including a cookie jar and old magazines with her on the cover, a block of stamps that was released one year ... I think MOST people will agree there's just "something" about Marilyn.
I hope we will definitively know who her father is, after all is said and done.
The documentary will hopefully be respectful and entertaining.
Some would say "why does it matter" but apparently the descendants of Mr Gifford had quite a reaction! I can imagine it would be an emotional "thing"
On Geni, "we" do like to see our relationships so I am really looking forward to these results to be more publicly discussed/examined and I know we all appreciate the Geni user that brought it to attention in the PM
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Hopefully was more than just a single strand but if it had the pulp may be all they need---- I read in my brief venture this morning that it was extracted by the embalmer

Yes, the estate has a lot to gain with the excitement. Imagine how many more memorabilia items and special commemorative pieces will pop up.
I cannot imagine this being BAD for business ;)

You have done a wonderful job with her profile. My favorite is when you removed her from the FORGOTTEN ACTRESSES project. No one can ever "forget" Marilyn, surely

I was able to watch this documentary in English on SBS Australia. Americans are unable to watch however I was able to download a VPN which enabled me to watch the video. Overall, it was very professional with very reputable geneticists and scientists conducting the research. It did I feel spend too much time going over her biography and life. However, they had to keep it interesting for the average viewers. I think it was very sound research, 22% of her genome decoded. and revealed a three generation connection between Francine Gifford and Marilyn Monroe using the text lines from their DNA. Several statistical methods were used to compare and verify the final results. I took detailed notes and can post everything here. They definitely choose the right scientist for the job, Ludovic Orlando, PhD in Paleogenomics, an expert in extracting DNA from ancient hair samples. . It was kept secret from him as to the identity of the hairs until the final results were made. Until the revelation of the hair belonging to Marilyn Monroe the samples were identified as 'Hair Girl'.

I also want to mention that two sets of saliva samples from Francine and Lisa Deir and Marilyn Monroe's hair samples were sent to two different laboratories. The hair sample from Marilyn's hairdresser, Robert Champion was sent to a DNA laboratory in Huntsville, Texas, north of Houston. This research facility is capable of deciphering damaged DNA in human or body hair. Dr. Rachel Houston is a research geneticist. Dr. Houston is also an active member of the American Academy of Forensic Sciences (AAFS) and the Association of Forensic DNA Analysts and Administrators (AFDAA). Her other research interests include exploring the use of alternate DNA markers (INNULs, INDELs, SNPs) and Massively Parallel Sequencing (MPS) for human identification (HID) and intelligence purposes. After DNA extraction from this sample was made it was useless yielding no results. This is fairly common with DNA in the keratin of the hair where what little DNA there is it is probably damaged. DNA resides mostly in the roots of the hair.

The second sample of saliva and hair sample from Marilyn's embalmer, Allan Abbott, was sent to Centre for Anthropobiology and Genomics of Toulouse (CAGT) lab dedicated to deciphering old DNA. Head researcher, Ludovic Orlando, PhD in Paleogenomics headed this project. His experience, includes deciphering DNA from hairs of a 50,000 year old woolly mammoths. and hair from a 700,000 year old horse. It was this sample of Marilyn's hair that yielded results from which sequencing could be conducted and a link made back to the common ancestor (Charles Stanley Gifford) of Marilyn Monroe and Francine Gifford Deir and Lisa.

Getting back to the research done by Ludovic Orlando, PhD in Paleogenomics at the Centre for Anthropobiology and Genomics of Toulouse, France. He stated that the results of 22% of Marilyn's genome showed a three generational difference between Francine Gifford Deir and Marilyn Monroe. This confused me because Francine would be the niece of Marilyn Monroe and that would be only one generational difference. But then it dawned on me. Marilyn Monroe was Francine's HALF Aunt. They both descend from different mothers. This means according to the cM (centimorgan) chart the amount of cM for a half aunt and a great grandparent are about the same, in the 870-880 range on average. A great grandparent would be three generations away from Francine. Obviously, Marilyn could not be Francine's great grandparent which leaves only one other option, Marilyn was Francine's half aunt. The amount of this cM fits perfectly in the half aunt category.

I have a DNA match who refuses to change her public tree to reflect the bio parents of her father who was adopted. There are many like this.
DNA is science.
Genealogy is emotional.
I would really love to see the DNA proved father attached to her profile.
It certainly makes finding correct relationships difficult or impossible when one is checking against a disproven line.
I am glad there is the discussion at least.
Thank you for being a protector of her profile.

I've found while trying to find bio parents for a woman that shares DNA with me, that as soon as the word adoption is mentioned they shut down and quit communicating.

What I would propose is to connect Charles Stanley Gifford as the biological father to Marilyn Monroe on Geni. However, keep Edward Mortensen as the legal father and site it as such on his profile and Marilyn Monroe's profile.

Ashley Odell: That sounds acceptable to me how you worded that. What I don't understand is when you say there are questions about the quality of the sample. Where are you getting that information? CAGT is among the world's leaders in genomic research. Like the laboratory in Huntsville, Texas they went to great, meticulous work at de-contaminating the samples and making sure the ONLY DNA was that of Marilyn's. Granted, the second sample sent to CAGT in France to Ludovic Orlando had a very small amount of DNA extracted but it was well within the threshold otherwise it would also have been discarded as was the samples given to the Huntsville Texas lab by Dr. Rachel Houston.

At CAGT in France, Andaine Seguin, Associate Professor of Paleogenomics led the extraction process where the hair samples were first cleaned. added an enzyme solution to break down the proteins and completely dissolves the strand of hair. Any potential DNA is now in liquid form inside the tubes. Scientists amplify it to make it visible to their detection system. However,,this provided 5% of the molecules in Marilyn's hair allowing for billions of sequences which provided enough sequences to identify a significant amount of 'Hair Girl's (Marilyn's) DNA. This was then put through high speed sequencing to read each letters of the strands of DNA. The results exceeded expectation. The risk of a false-positive is about 1 in 46 billion. What is most important to me as a genealogist is the biological blood connection and not a name added to a legal birth certificate when in addition strong circumstantial evidence suggests otherwise and now DNA further confirms those suspicions.

Thank you, Sharon Doubell

I'm showing a distant 10th cousin twice removed to Marilyn and a 10th cousin four times removed relationship to Stanley Gifford so makes absolutely no difference to me either way how I'm connected to her. The important thing would be to settle this decades long discussion and debate once for all. Knowing for sure who the real father is will be a great thing and may provide closure for some of her close family members. Knowledge is power.

For those interested : Appel / Botha descendants in SA.
How though DNA has proven Appel as male ancestor of some children many stiil insist on genealogy track of Botha as ancestor.
Many more like Marilyn and Appel/Botha still to come to light with more DNA testing

Seems to me more Tabloid sensational than Science .
So many of these similar on many tabloid sites.
Like Putin dying of cancer confirmed on the news before middle September?
Watched " Blonde " must say more the authors imganinary world than biopic of Marilyn.
Would wait for proper confirmation.

The documentary has been released. Please update this. It is already confirmed by science that Marilyn Monroe was the illegitimate daughter of Charles Stanley Gifford and Gladys Pearl Baker.