Merfyn Frych ap Gwriad - Medilands URL

So this:

Gwriad & his wife had one child:

1. MERFYN ap Gwriad "Frych/the Freckled" (-844). The 13th century History of Gruffydd ap Cynan names "Rodri Mawr son of Mervyn Vrych son of Gwryat…"[64]. King of Gwynedd. The Annales Cambriæ record the death in 844 of "Mermin"[65]. The Chronicle of the Princes of Wales records the death in 844 of "Mervyn the Freckled"[66]. m [either: ETHYLL of Gwynedd, daughter and heiress of CYNAN [King of Gwynedd] & his wife ---, or: NEST of Powys, daughter of CADELL ap Brochwell King of Powys & his wife ---. [The Gwentian Chronicle records that the mother of "Mervyn the Freckled" was "Nest daughter of Cadell of Derrnllwg, son of Brochwel Ysgithrog", after recording that "[the] daughter [of Cynan Tindaethwy king of all Wales] who was his heir married a chieftain of the name of Mervyn the Freckled"[67].] The alternative marriage to Nest of Powys is now recorded in manuscripts dated no earlier than the later 14th century, although possibly copied from earlier texts[68]. It is impossible to judge which version is preferable. Indeed, it is possible that both Ethyll and Nest were not historical figures at all but were invented to legitimise claims to Gwynedd and Powys, respectively, in the eyes of successor generations of kings and their supporters.] Merfyn & his wife had [two] children:

a) RHODRI ap Merfyn "Mawr/the Great" (-killed Anglesey 878). [The Gwentian Chronicle records that "Rhodri the Great, son of Mervyn the Freckled began to reign over the Welsh" in 843[69].] King of Gwynedd. He succeeded his maternal uncle Cyngen ap Cadell as King of Powys in 855.

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b) [GWRIAD (-killed Anglesey 878). The Chronicle of the Princes of Wales records that "Rhodri and his brother Gwriad were killed by the Saxons" in 878[70]. [The Gwentian Chronicle records "the action…in Mona in which Rhodri and his brother Gwriad, and Gweirydd son of Owain of Glamorgan were killed by the Saxons" in 873[71].] The Annales Cambriæ record that "Rotri et filius eius Guriat…jugulatur" in 877 by the Saxons[72]. With these contradictory sources, it is uncertain whether Gwriad was the brother or son of Rhodri, although the later passage quoted below which names Gwriad´s son suggests that he was Rhodri´s son.]

Thanks for this, Private User. Always seeking more clarification on Welsh lines.

Is it his grands are attached as children? Looks as so. Private User, can you assist?

FMG's Wales page could use some updating. It was last updated Feb 2021. At least, the information FMG provides is most often accurate for that which is included. It's what the persons who provide FMG updates haven't yet included that's taking a long time to work into the mix.

Yes, Cawley (and we all) prefer primary sources. However, it takes people like Bartrum and Wolcott to get into the weed patch to ferret out the kinks. I see little to none of of their findings considered by the FMG team. FMG will retain non-sourced information only to follow up those things by writing "the primary source for _____ has not been found..."

Private User can that be noted or this discussion be noted in the About for future reference or questions? Is that proper method for handling this? Just curious.

Merfyn Frych ap Gwriad is your 38th great grandfather.
You
→ Elza Dzelvite (Grahpe,Grāpe)
your mother → Jahn Grahpe
her father → Baron Arnold Julius von Vietinghoff-Riesch
his father → Juliane Charlotte Lulla von Vietinghoff
his mother → Helene Gertrude von Krüdener
her mother → Helene Maria Esther von Völckersahm
her mother → Helene d'Orville von Löwenclau
her mother → Isaac d'Orville von Löwenclau
her father → Peter Friedrich d'Orville
his father → Pierre Peter d'Orville
his father → Samuel d'Orville
his father → Anne Godin, de Tampezo
his mother → Christophe Godin
her father → Isabeau Picot
his mother → François Picot
her father → François Picot
his father → Jacques II Picot
his father → Catherine Desprets
his mother → Waulthier 'de Haluin' Desprest dit de Quiévrain
her father → Guilhaume Desprest dit de Quiévrain
his father → Gilles des Prets, dit de Quiévrain
his father → Esme de Mortagne
his mother → Jeanne de Rochechouart
her mother → Jeanne de Vivonne, Lady of Chewton
her mother → Matilda (or Maud) de Ferrers
her mother → William de Ferrers, III, 5th Earl of Derby, Constable of Bolsover Castle
her father → Sir William de Ferrers, 4th Earl of Derby
his father → Sybil de Braose
his mother → Bertha de Hereford
her mother → Sybil de Neufmarché
her mother → Nesta, of Hereford
her mother → Nest ferch Gruffydd
her mother → Gruffydd ap Llewelyn, King of Wales
her father → Llywelyn ap Seisyll
his father → Prawst verch Elise
his mother → Elise ab Idwal Foel
her father → Idwal Foel ab Anarawd
his father → Anarawd ap Rhodri Mawr
his father → Rhodri the Great, king of the Britons
his father → Merfyn Frych ap Gwriad
his father

Merfyn Frych ap Gwriad is your 38th great grandfather.
You
→ Elza Dzelvite (Grahpe,Grāpe)
your mother → Jahn Grahpe
her father → Baron Arnold Julius von Vietinghoff-Riesch
his father → Juliane Charlotte Lulla von Vietinghoff
his mother → Helene Gertrude von Krüdener
her mother → Helene Maria Esther von Völckersahm
her mother → Helene d'Orville von Löwenclau
her mother → Isaac d'Orville von Löwenclau
her father → Peter Friedrich d'Orville
his father → Pierre Peter d'Orville
his father → Samuel d'Orville
his father → Anne Godin, de Tampezo
his mother → Christophe Godin
her father → Isabeau Picot
his mother → François Picot
her father → François Picot
his father → Jacques II Picot
his father → Catherine Desprets
his mother → Waulthier 'de Haluin' Desprest dit de Quiévrain
her father → Guilhaume Desprest dit de Quiévrain
his father → Gilles des Prets, dit de Quiévrain
his father → Esme de Mortagne
his mother → Jeanne de Rochechouart
her mother → Jeanne de Vivonne, Lady of Chewton
her mother → Matilda (or Maud) de Ferrers
her mother → William de Ferrers, III, 5th Earl of Derby, Constable of Bolsover Castle
her father → Sir William de Ferrers, 4th Earl of Derby
his father → Sybil de Braose
his mother → Bertha de Hereford
her mother → Sybil de Neufmarché
her mother → Nesta, of Hereford
her mother → Nest ferch Gruffydd
her mother → Gruffydd ap Llewelyn, King of Wales
her father → Llywelyn ap Seisyll
his father → Prawst verch Elise
his mother → Elise ab Idwal Foel
her father → Idwal Foel ab Anarawd
his father → Anarawd ap Rhodri Mawr
his father → Rhodri the Great, king of the Britons
his father → Merfyn Frych ap Gwriad
his father

Merfyn Frych ap Gwriad is my 38th great grandfather.
You
→ Elza Dzelvite (Grahpe,Grāpe)
your mother → Jahn Grahpe
her father → Baron Arnold Julius von Vietinghoff-Riesch
his father → Juliane Charlotte Lulla von Vietinghoff
his mother → Helene Gertrude von Krüdener
her mother → Helene Maria Esther von Völckersahm
her mother → Helene d'Orville von Löwenclau
her mother → Isaac d'Orville von Löwenclau
her father → Peter Friedrich d'Orville
his father → Pierre Peter d'Orville
his father → Samuel d'Orville
his father → Anne Godin, de Tampezo
his mother → Christophe Godin
her father → Isabeau Picot
his mother → François Picot
her father → François Picot
his father → Jacques II Picot
his father → Catherine Desprets
his mother → Waulthier 'de Haluin' Desprest dit de Quiévrain
her father → Guilhaume Desprest dit de Quiévrain
his father → Gilles des Prets, dit de Quiévrain
his father → Esme de Mortagne
his mother → Jeanne de Rochechouart
her mother → Jeanne de Vivonne, Lady of Chewton
her mother → Matilda (or Maud) de Ferrers
her mother → William de Ferrers, III, 5th Earl of Derby, Constable of Bolsover Castle
her father → Sir William de Ferrers, 4th Earl of Derby
his father → Sybil de Braose
his mother → Bertha de Hereford
her mother → Sybil de Neufmarché
her mother → Nesta, of Hereford
her mother → Nest ferch Gruffydd
her mother → Gruffydd ap Llewelyn, King of Wales
her father → Llywelyn ap Seisyll
his father → Prawst verch Elise
his mother → Elise ab Idwal Foel
her father → Idwal Foel ab Anarawd
his father → Anarawd ap Rhodri Mawr
his father → Rhodri the Great, king of the Britons
his father → Merfyn Frych ap Gwriad
his father

Thanks, Private User. I sometimes wonder if people look at the tabs other than the overview. Lots of cool things can be found there.