Elizabeth le Despenser, Baroness Berkeley - Despenser & related family questions & fixes

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Erica Howton C

yesterday at 8:05 PM

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Did Elizabeth de Berkeley, widow of Maurice de Berkeley, marry again? Medievalist Doug Richardson lists it. See the discussion:

Possibly she married again: “Reviewing the evidence, it is clear now that Sir Maurice Wythe's wife, lady Elizabeth de Berkeley, was Elizabeth le Despenser, widow of Maurice de Berkeley, Knt., 4th Lord Berkeley. …” but a credible contemporaneous source claimed she died without remarrying. See the soc.genealogy.medieval mail group discussion from 2004: <“Elizabeth de Berkeley, wife of Sir Maurice Wyth” >

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Erica Howton C

yesterday at 8:06 PM

Copying over from https://www.geni.com/discussions/158450?msg=1556528

From what I can tell, the Anne Despenser as a wife has been disproven., so she should be unlocked as a wife to this guy. Also, the daughters Maud (1268-1298) who married Thomas Berkeley and Anne (1268-1337) who married John de Grey should also go with Anne Despenser.

Sir William de Ferrers of Groby

The About comments seem to be only 1st Anne Durward and 2nd Eleanor Lovaine.
I think maybe they came from this source (see lower left of page 13), but Sir William de Ferrers as a son is obviously wrong.
http://plheineman.net/24%20Generation.pdf

It seems wikitree also had that problem with Anne de Ferrers b. 1268 as daughter of Anne Despenser being linked to John de Grey.
https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Ferrers-56

Erica Howton C

yesterday at 8:07 PM

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John Albert Rigali, preparing for hiatus

yesterday at 9:31 PM

https://stirnet.com/genie/data/british/dd/despencer1.php#anne2 shows Elizabeth as wife only of Maurice de Berkeley.

https://stirnet.com/genie/data/british/dd/despencer1.php#linklo shows Anne as a wife of William de Ferrers of Groby. Clicking on William's link there (https://stirnet.com/genie/data/british/ff/ferrers2.php#top) jumps to the "Ferrers2" page where Anne is revealed as his 1st wife.

For anyone who's curious, Anne is a paternal aunt of Elizabeth.

Sources that Peter Barns-Graham (Private) consulted to build the "Despencer1" page (of which only the latter portion is relevant to this discussion):

• "The Complete Peerage" by George Edward Cokayne, Clarenceux King of Arms
• Despenser, three sections:
• the line that produced the Earls of Winchester and Gloucester
• the family of King's Stanley
• the branch of Goxhill
• "Genealogical History of the Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited and Extinct Peerages of the British Empire", 1883 edition, published by Burke's Peerage
• Despencer of Winchester
• Despencer of Gloucester

John Albert Rigali, preparing for hiatus

yesterday at 9:32 PM

(Awww, Geni removed my tabs! Sad John.)

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