Sir Robert de Keith, Marischal of Scotland - Did he have daughters?

Let's see if this helps.

According to "Irvines and Their Kin" William de Irwyn 1st Laird of Drum was married to the daughter of the Earl Marischal.

"William De Irwyn, or Sir William Irvine, as he is styled in "Nisbet's Heraldry," married Mariota, the daughter of Sir Robert Keith, Earl Marischal of Scotland, who led the horse at Bannockburn, and was killed at the battle of Dublin {sic} in 1332".

"The Irvines of Drum and Collateral Branches", in general, agrees with this.

https://www.geni.com/photo/view?album_type=photos_of_me&id=6000...

it says "daughter OR grand-daughter" but ages of parties involved suggest "daughter" is the more reasonable.

So: Yes he had daughters.

However, someone has changed the date and location of his death. He died : 11 Aug 1332 Battle of Dupplin Moor, Perth, Scotland

William de Irwyn did, in fact, (per "A Short Account of the Family of Irvine of Drum") have a son, William, who WAS married to a daughter of Robert Keith, married to Margaret Hay, who died 17 Oct 1346 Battle of Neville's Cross, Durham, England. This Robert was the grandson of the above Robert .

It might look like this:
........... 9 Sir Robert de Keith
B: Abt 1262 Buchan, Aberdeenshire, Scotland
D: 11 Aug 1332 Battle of Dupplin Moor, Perth, Scotland
........... +Barbara Douglas
B: Abt 1280 Douglas Castle, Douglas, Lanarckshire, Scotland
D: 1350 Castle Cary, Somerset, England
............. 10 Marotte or Mariota de Keith
B: Abt 1300
D: 1335 Drum Castle, Drumoak, Aberdeenshire, Scotland
.............. +William Alexander de Irwyn 1st Laird of Drum
B: Abt 1260 Dumfriesshire, Scotland
D: Abt 1333 Drum Castle, Drumoak, Aberdeenshire, Scotland
............. 10 Sir John Keith
B: Abt 1294 Scotland
D: 1324 Scotland
.............. +?
B:
D:
................ 11 Sir Robert de Keith
B: Abt 1316 Scotland
D: 17 Oct 1346 Battle of Neville's Cross, Durham, England
............... +Margaret Hay
B: Abt 1316 Scotland
D:
................... 12 daughter
.................... +William de Irwyn
B: 1317 Drum Castle, Drumoak, Aberdeenshire, Scotland
D: 1390 Drum Castle, Drumoak, Aberdeenshire, Scotland

The Elizabeth Keith mentioned was the daughter of a totally different Robert Keith (Grand nephew to the adove ........... 9 Sir Robert de Keith)

Since my mom's an Irwin, they were the first family that I looked into. I encountered "Marotte Bernard" very early on. There has been a lot of stuff said about her. Wikipedia describes her, on William de Irwyn's entry, as the daughter of Robert Douglas, Earl of Buchan. He, as it so happens lived during the last half of the 1500s. HIS daughter Marion was married to Alexander Irvine, 9th Laird of Drum.

My Heritage lists several Marotte Barnards. One saying that she is the daughter of Bernard de Huntingdon. Born 1360. She would have been 58 when she married William. An unreasonable age for then having possibly three children.

One source, don't remember which, says that she was the granddaughter of Robert the Bruce. If they were referring to King Robert I, who has been historically linked to William de Irwyn, then I would say: no she wasn't. Most genealogical sources say that Marotte was born around 1300, but as early as 1290. If she were born in 1300, Robert was 26. Hardly "grandfather" age. Of course they COULD have been referring to an earlier "Robert de Brus". I don't think so. "Robert the Bruce" has ONLY been used in reference to King Robert.

Both of my sources clearly list her father as the Robert Keith who died in 1332. The fact that each entry provides some different minor details (such as Robert’s title, and one says Dupplin and the other Dublin) suggests that one entry is not just a quote of the other. I tend to like that kind of information when looking at genealogical websites and databases. Even this one. If two entries in two databases such as “wikitree” or Ancestry have exactly the same info then one is clearly a copy of the other. But if each has different information (i.e. one site lists a date of birth as “abt 1300” and the other says Jan 8, 1302) then I can deduce that each are drawing from different sources.

Marotte was NOT married to Maitland. Couldn’t have been. His name is linked to the Robert Keith who died in 1346 at Neville’s Cross, Durham. He is the second Robert on the tree I put in my previous note.

As far as her name is concerned, you will notice that I did not use the "Bernard" in my entry on her. It seems to have the same credibility as "John Crawford of Kilbernie." The sources that I cited refer to her as JUST Mariota/Marotte. The differences in spelling are probably due to non-standardizing of spelling. Or simply due to the fact that people had a name to fit whatever language they were using at the time. William de Irwyn might have used the Gaidhlig name Uilleam in informal settings. Gaidhlig being his mother tongue. And the “de Irwyn” was, obviously, a post-Norman affectation.

Not quite there yet.

Sir Robert de Keith, Marischal of Scotland

THIS Robert de Keith (wikipedia refers to him as Robert II so I'll use that to differentiate the two) is NOT the father of the daughter that married Maitland. That would be his grandson, Robert III, who was married to Margaret Hay.

From Irvines and Their Kin:

William (otherwise Sir Thomas) the 2nd laird, son of the preceding [William de Irwyn 1st Laird of Drum]
(lived circa 1317-1380 or 1390). He married, according
to Douglas' Peerage, ed. 1764, a daughter of Sir Robert
Keith, Great Marischal, whom he had by Margaret, daughter
of Sir Gilbert Hay, Lord High Constable. This Sir Robert [Robert III]
was killed at the Battle of Durham, 1346. Her elder sister
married Sir Robert Maitland of Thirlstane and Leithington,
ancestor of the Earl of Lauderdale. But according to
Douglas and Woods' Peerage, this Sir Robert Keith had no
issue, and it was his sister who married Sir R. Maitland.
According to Burke's Landed Gentry, this laird married,
first, a daughter of Sir Robert Keith, and secondly, a
daughter of Sir Thomas Montford of Lonmay: both these
marriages seem doubtful. He was succeeded by his son.

Robert II died on 11 Aug 1332 at the Battle of Dupplin Moor, Perth, Scotland

Robert III died on 17 Oct 1346 Battle of Neville's Cross, Durham, England

OK I fixed the date of Robert IIs death to 1332 the Battle of Dupplin, as it should be.

Robert de Keith

THIS is the Robert de Keith that died at Durham in 1346 (Battle of Nevilles Cross) AND was the father-in-law of Robert Maitland. or brother-in-law???

OR NOT.

Someone else will have to fix him. He is not one of my people,