Hvalimir Krajinović (Prelimirović) - Confusing

Started by Debbie Gambrell on Sunday, January 30, 2022
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1/30/2022 at 3:33 PM

The Wikipedia link in his profile doesn't go to a page about him, and the notes in his profile indicate what is on Medlands, that Tugimir and his wife were his parents, not the couple attached here on Geni.

According to Medlands, TUGIMIR Župan and his wife, not the couple presently connected as his parents: From the Medlands link:

http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/MONTENEGRO.htm#_Toc156305668

[DRAGOMIR (-murdered Kotor 1018). The Chronicle of the Priest of Duklja names "Petrislav…Dragimir…Miroslav" as the three sons of "Chvalimir" & his wife, specifying that Dragomir ruled Trebinje and Chelma[32]. He succeeded his nephew as DRAGOMIR Knez of Duklja and Trebinje (part), as the vassal of Byzantium. He was murdered by local citizens in Kotor, after which Duklja was probably placed under direct Byzantine rule[33]. The Chronicle of the Priest of Duklja records that "Dragomir the uncle of St Vladimir" tried to seize the country after his nephew was killed but was himself murdered in a church[34]. m firstly ---. The name of Dragomir's first wife is not known. m secondly --- [of Serbia], daughter of LJUTOMIR [of Serbia]. The Chronicle of the Priest of Duklja names Dragomir's wife as "the daughter of Lutomir the veliki zupan of Rassa", recording that she returned to her homeland with her two daughters after her husband was killed but, finding that her father had died, travelled to Bosna with her mother to join her uncles[35]. Dragomir & his first wife had one child:]

a) [VOJISLAV (-Prapatna [1043], bur Prapatna, St Andrew). The Chronicle of the Priest of Duklja names "Voislav" as son of Dragomir by his first wife, recording that he "obtained the kingdom" after his father was killed, fought the Greeks and obtained "the land as far as Topliza"[36]. Europäische Stammtafeln[37] conflates Vojislav and Dobroslav, who according to the Chronicle of the Priest of Duklja were half-brothers.]

- see below.

Dragomir & his [second] wife had three children:

b) [daughter (-after 1018). The Chronicle of the Priest of Duklja records that Dragomir's wife returned to her homeland with her two daughters after her husband was killed[38]. same person as…? [TICHIASLAVA . She is shown as possible daughter of Dragomir, widow of Procul, and mother of Bella, in Europäische Stammtafeln[39], but the basis for this speculation is not known.] m PROCUL de Chasaliça [Cazasiza] Patriarch of Ragusa [Dubrovnik]. Tichiaslava & her husband had one child:]

i) [BELLA . As noted above, Bella is shown in Europäische Stammtafeln as the daughter of Tichiaslava[40], but the primary source which confirms her parentage has not yet been identified. Nun.]

c) [daughter (-after 1018). The Chronicle of the Priest of Duklja records that Dragomir's wife returned to her homeland with her two daughters after her husband was killed[41].]

d) [DOBROSLAV (posthumously 1018-). The Chronicle of the Priest of Duklja records that Dragomir's wife gave birth to a son "Dobroslav" at "Brusno" while travelling to Bosnia, where he was brought up before being sent as an adolescent to "Ragusium"[42]. Europäische Stammtafeln[43] conflates Dobroslav and Vojislav, who according to the Chronicle of the Priest of Duklja were half-brothers.]

On the Medlands page, there is a PREDIMIR in the section just above this section and it shows where Hvalimir (Chvalimir) falls as a descendant of Predimir. It shows that Hvalimir / Chvalimir was the son of Tugemir who was the son of Sylvester who was the son of Boleslav who was a son of the Predimir in question, so a bit farther down the line than being his son:

1. [PREDIMIR (-bur church of St Peter, Serbia). Župan of Trebinje. The Chronicle of the Priest of Duklja records that "King Predimir" was buried in the "church of St Peter in the episcopate of Rassa"[7]. m (after [969]) PRECHVALA, daughter of --- Župan of Serbia & his wife ---. The Chronicle of the Priest of Duklja records that "the Zupan of Rassa fled to King Predimir along with his two sons Plenus and Radigrad and his daughter…Prechvala" who married the king[8], dated from the context to after [969], although this date is inconsistent with the chronology of later generations of this family. This highlights the unreliability of this source and the uncertainty about the accuracy of all the information on the earlier generations. Predimir & his wife had four children:]

a) [CHLARIMIR (-killed in battle ----). The Chronicle of the Priest of Duklja records that "King Predimir" & his wife had four sons "Chlarimir…Boleslav…Dragislav…Svevlad" among whom he divided his territories[9]. The Chronicle of the Priest of Duklja records that the seven sons of Leghec, son of Kresimir, killed the sons and grandsons of "King Predimir" except for "a son of Boleslav named Sylvester"[10].]

b) [BOLESLAV (-killed in battle ----). The Chronicle of the Priest of Duklja records that "King Predimir" & his wife had four sons "Chlarimir…Boleslav…Dragislav…Svevlad" among whom he divided his territories[11]. The Chronicle of the Priest of Duklja records that the seven sons of Leghec, son of Kresimir, killed the sons and grandsons of "King Predimir" except for "a son of Boleslav named Sylvester"[12]. m CASTRECA, daughter of ---. The Chronicle of the Priest of Duklja records that, after the massacre of his uncles, "a son of Boleslav named Sylvester" fled with "his mother Castreca to Lausium which is now called Ragusium"[13]. Boleslav & his wife had one child:]

i) [SYLVESTER . The Chronicle of the Priest of Duklja records that the seven sons of Leghec, son of Kresimir, killed the sons and grandsons of "King Predimir" except for "a son of Boleslav named Sylvester" who fled with "his mother Castreca to Lausium which is now called Ragusium" but was restored to rule after the seven sons had all died[14]. m ---. The name of Sylvester's wife is not known. Sylvester & his wife had one child:]

(a) [TUGEMIR . The Chronicle of the Priest of Duklja names "Tugemir" as son of "Sylvester" & his wife[15]. m ---. The name of Tugemir's wife is not known. Tugemir & his wife had one child:]

(1) [CHVALIMIR . The Chronicle of the Priest of Duklja names "Chvalimir" as son of "Tugemir" & his wife[16].]

- see below.

c) [DRAGISLAV (-killed in battle ----). The Chronicle of the Priest of Duklja records that "King Predimir" & his wife had four sons "Chlarimir…Boleslav…Dragislav…Svevlad" among whom he divided his territories[17]. The Chronicle of the Priest of Duklja records that the seven sons of Leghec, son of Kresimir, killed the sons and grandsons of "King Predimir" except for "a son of Boleslav named Sylvester"[18].]

d) [SVEVLAD (-killed in battle ----). The Chronicle of the Priest of Duklja records that "King Predimir" & his wife had four sons "Chlarimir…Boleslav…Dragislav…Svevlad" among whom he divided his territories[19]. The Chronicle of the Priest of Duklja records that the seven sons of Leghec, son of Kresimir, killed the sons and grandsons of "King Predimir" except for "a son of Boleslav named Sylvester"[20].]

So IF I've followed the Medlands genealogy correctly, the connections here on Geni are off. ?

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