Johannes Pietersen (Pietersz) - Who was he ? Where from

@Sharon Doubell

Last child baptised 1763 Johannes would have been 60 !

Possible baptism 1703
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-DZN4-WRF?from=lynx...

Johannes Halfslag -- so wherte dis van Lubeck come from ?

However no child named after his mother Cristina

Names Jan or Johannes can not find Jantjie as stated in this

http://www.e-family.co.za/ffy/RemarkableWriting/ElsjeGerrits.pdf

Haar 5 kinders by Jantje Peters, is gebore tussen 1750 en 1763. Dan moes Elsje die
eerste een gehad het op ouderdom 51 en die laaste een op ouderdom 64. Dit is baie
onwaarskynlik. First child baptised 1747

Johannes Pietersz also unlikely to have first child in 1750

In ongeveer 1749 word haar laaste buite-egt elike kind, Jan Chri stoffel Pieterse
(gedoop 16/8/1750), kind van Jantje Pete rs, gebore voordat sy in ongeveer 1752
met Jantje/ Johannes trou. Hy is die seun van Andreas Peters van Lübeck, Duitsland en
Cristina van die Caap en dus self van slawe-herkoms. Jantje Peters word as ‘n
“Vryswart” beskryf op sy eerste vrou, Helena van die Caap se Inventaris

(MOOC8/6/.47a).

“August 12, 1830
The following major Heirs, in Estates under the administration of the Board of
Orphan Masters, are hereby informed, that the Sums due to them, as expressed
opposite to their respective names, are payable at this Office:
PIETERSEN, Elsje Elizabeth GERRITSEN, widow of Johannes 105 23
Johs. dr., the children of the late Anna Maria 37 25
Johanna Agnita, married to Philip RAHT 2 41
Wilhelmina Johanna

On baptism of children Marthinus and Hester
It appears his father was Andreas Peters from Lubeck.

Thx !!
So that the origin of Jantjie !

Discovered a lot about him
His 2nd wife Elsje Gerrits some argue is actually Anna Elizabeth Weyers baptised 1721 also known as Elsie Gerrits.

Some xtra possible partners and children for her .

His baptism 4 November 1703

So one baptised 17 June 1714 .
Think this more correct the 1703 date makes es him too old for child baptised in 1763

So must correct imother to Maria Domingo !
He calls himself Jan / Johannes Pietersz van Lubeck on baptisms so he is the son if Andreas Peters I would say.
The son if Cristina a different person completely.
1703 a red herrring

Thx Sharon you are yet again a star !!!

Must I change or you going to ?

Joannes like my grandfather writes it !!

17 June or July 1714

Sharon coukd you change the curators note abd some blah blah that not him baptised 1703.
Love this when working together things happen.

2 Johannes Pietersz ,
One baptised 1703 no father mother Cristina
Another one baptised 1714 father Andreas Pietersz mother Maria Domingo.
Definitely not the same person as not likely to baptise a child twice.
Could child baptised 1703 be same one mentioned on will 1708 às nentioned on FFY?
Died and child baptised 1714 given same names.
From baptisms of children we know Jan/Johannes Pietersz van Lubeck so 99.999 % sure he son of Andreas Peters

On baptism 1714 Andries/ Andreas still alive .

Sharon read the inventory distribution there are two children mentioned Jan Pietersz and Jantje Pietersz .

Jantje also more a female name.
Definitely two separate individuals mentioned on distribution account 1716 ; first Jan Pietersz then Jantje Pietersz .
Could baptism 1714 be Joanna/ Jantje a daughter 🤔

This is a minefield him and his wife

-- and only the two of us seem to give a ×××× !