Prince Madoc brother of mythical king Aurthur?!

PTID:6000000181131907836:6000000077143652909 — just dropping a note here to let you know that the profile you linked to for Athrwys ap Tewdrig is not King Arthur.

There is no known actual human King Arthur — if you search on Geni you will see that all of the King Arthur profiles we have (unless I haven’t found them yet to fix them) are not only fictional, but the work that they come from is given, since there are many many many different fictional King Arthurs. None of whom any of us would be connected to, unless something has happened in the Tree that needs to get fixed.

The name Athrwys is not Arthur. Those are two different names — they just look similar. They aren’t.

“Arthur” was not originally a Welsh name — it came in from the Romans.

“Athrwys” is Welsh, from a different root entirely. In the 18th century, historians (English ones, not Welsh) came up with the idea that Athrwys and Arthur are the same, and that’s why you still will see that given as fact. It isn’t.

They aren’t.

They are different.

Owain Gwynedd ap Gruffudd did exist. He might have had a son named Madog, which is why Madog is still attached to the Tree, but the story that Madog went to North America is a myth.

Athrwys ap Tewdrig did exist, but he was not King Arthur.

Indeed, nobody that we know of was King Arthur.

Alas.

Steven Mitchell Ferry --lol.

For me, it's not a matter of hope, since it makes me no never mind.

I'm one of the medievalists who don't think there was ever any one person at all -- that the legend arises not out of one person, but out of various amalgamated stories.

Now, if real evidence arises, then well and good.

But the sources that exists have been VERY well studied.

If there is real evidence, it is in something that hasn't been seen yet.

It happens pretty often still that medieval texts and records show up in works that haven't been fully catalogued yet.

But not from this early.

PTID:6000000181131907836:6000000077143652909 — I am in the room and watched the video. There is still no really evidence that Madog went to North America. And a great deal of speculation. The earliest references to that story, by the way, are from romance, not chronicles, and from the 15th century.

The amalgamation of stories and suppositions and leaps in logic and sheer invention is in itself not only mind-boggling but actually impressive.

No real evidence, though.

Could somebody from Wales have gotten to North America, early on? Of course. Was it Prince Madoc, son of either Owain or Meurig, depending on which version of the story you are looking at? No evidence.

Any connection to King Arthur? No.

My favorite bit of purported evidence that your video refers to is the Bat Creek Stone — Wikipedia ONLY goes into the supposed Hebrew inscription, though it mentions the supposed Cherokee inscription. But! It could be Welsh! Written in a script that was invented in 1791! Lol. It now belongs the the Smithsonian, which declares it a fake; they’ve lent it to the Cherokee Museum in Cherokee, North Carolina. Sigh.

Not surprisingly, one of my favorite subjects is Bad Archeology — there’s actually a site named that, and they discuss the Bat Creek Stone — http://www.badarchaeology.com/controversies/a-medieval-welsh-colony...

(Please don’t accuse me of not looking at evidence.)

I do have a question — why are you saying that the list of Lewises that you link to is connected to King Arthur? There’s no connection to King Arthur in any of those profiles.

Even IF Madoc did cross the Atlantic in the 12 century he was already some two hundred years late to be "discovering" America: Leif Erikson

Even IF your youtube video proved beyond a doubt that Welsh were in America in the 12th century it wouldn't be proof that Madoc himself was actually there.

Even IF Madoc could be proven to have been in America it would not be evidence of a familial link to King Arthur.

Even IF Madoc could be proven to be related to a mythical person it would not explain your brother acting like a child when he was 4 years old.