Geoffrey lll de Dinham's wife - Are there parents?

Sarah de Hornacote With parents and 1st marriage.

Geoffrey de Dinham, Knt.

The Visitation doesn’t show her 2nd marriage.

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Descent on the Dynham side.

https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/ZP_j84eH3XQ/m/...

For interest's sake, I've listed below the names of the 17th Century
colonial immigrants who descend from Josce de Dynham, son of Oliver de
Dynham and his wife, Isabel de Vere.

1. William Asfordby.

2. Nehemiah & George Blakiston.

3. Charles Calvert.

4. Frances, Jane, & Katherine Deighton

5. William Farrer.

6. Anne, Elizabeth, & John Mansfield.

7. William & Elizabeth Pole.

8. William Skepper.

9. Mary Johanna Somerset.

10. Samuel & William Torrey.

http://cybergata.com/roots/21599.htm

Geoffrey Dinant, son of Oliver Dinant, inherited the manors of Corton and Buckland, and had a summons with other persons of consequence, 41 Henry III, 1247, to repair to the King at Bristol well accountered with horse and arms, in order to march agains the Welsh. He died 43 Henry III 1259, leaving issue two sons, Oliver and Geoffrey.

~The History and Antiquities of Somersetshire, Vol. I, Parts 3-6, p. 338

So we need to know what source the IGI used. The reference is to a “submitted pedigree.”

You’ve presented a puzzler! So far I can’t find it “except” in compilations that seem based on the IGI. But it doesn’t seem illogical, I just don’t know enough.

Which means we need a medievalist, and time to beg Anne Brannen’s help.

There’s some good references here, referring to the next generation.

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Dinham-6

Evidence that Joan was a Dinham

In 1309 Joan, widow of Roger Carminow, made an agreement about her dower with her eldest son Oliver. The document has a seal with the arms of Carminow and Dinham together: "The arms on the shield suggest that Joan was a Dinham by birth, which seems not to be otherwise known (though it is asserted, without authority, by J.P. Yeatman, The Early Genealogical History of the House of Arundell, p. 257b)." Quoted here, which goes on to say: "Oliver de Dinham held the lands of Roger de Carminow senior and the wardship of his heir in 1277, according to James Whetter's "Cornwall in the Thirteenth Century", page 151. Whetter goes on to name Joan, wife of Roger junior, as being a Dinham."

It appears that Oliver Dinham, guardian of the underage Roger Carminow and Roger's inheritance, arranged Roger's marriage to his daughter Joan, whose eldest son was named Oliver.

Interesting.

I'm not seeing any viable citations for Sarah's marriage to Geoffrey de Dinham. The IGI is using a submitted pedigree -- that's not really a ;source.

Geoffrey isn't given a named wife in the Peerage; it's not in the vistation nor the Somerset history; Sarah isn't showing up in places that cite their sources -- I would consider, unless something actually shows up that's actually real, that there's no evidence that they were connected.

(But I had some fun, because Nutwell Court shows up in the REED collection, on account of John Dinham showing up in accounts as playing for players. Elsewhere. Lol.)

(I used to research Cambridgshire for REED, is why I enjoyed that little segue.)

(Also, by the by, neither King Arthur nor Tristam nor Isolde were actually buried at Tintagel, since they didn't exist.)

(Just saying.)

Well, it’s not nuts. Notice the property & heraldry for the grand kids, but I think accounted for that way.

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Dinham-6

Agreement for assignment of dower

Oliver de Carmynou = (1)

Lady Joan who was wife of Roger de Carmynou, knight = (2)

Agreement between (1) and (2) for assignment of dower to (2) from the manors of Carmynou, Wynienton, Trezeued, Merthin, Kenel, Eglosros, Trelewith, Dysard, Resker and Hornicote, and the advowsons of the churches of Wyteston, Eglosros, Sanctus Rumon Maior and Sanctus Rumon Minor in Tyrhard. …

Seal [of (2)? Good, showing arms of Carminow (a bend, without the label of three) and of Dinham (five lozenges); 'Sig... Carminno']. ..

… Hornicate [= Hornacaott, in North Tamerton]

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I’m disappointed about Tintagel.

http://www.tim.ukpub.net/pl_tree/ps38/ps38_277.html Has more citations for Sarra Hornacote.

[58, Cornwall 1620, pub Harleian 1874, Carminowe, p. 296]

http://www.tim.ukpub.net/pl_tree/ps21/ps21_394.html

“ It is likely that she was Joan de Dinham, dau. of Oliver de Dinham (living 1273-1300), as suggested by John Ravilous on 18th April 2004:”