The Order of the Crown of Charlemagne in the United States of America

This is just another " Order " created in USA !
No value and play self important black tie affairs that middle America thrive on .

-- " according to tradition " ?

How can any intelligent person take this seriously?

Looks like a great start, thank you!

There will always be those who will call Charlemagne "the Father of Europe" with a nudge and a wink, but if you think about all the millions of ancestors each of us has by the time we get more than 20 generations back, it would be odd if no one anywhere could document descent from an ancestor so prominent. The risk would be in evaluating the false claims that undoubtedly arose, but most of those would have been scrutinized at the time by friends and foes alike.

Some of these "black tie orders" do help preserve history, regardless of the opinion of folks who may sneer at America without having lived here.

Charlemagne is my 29th great grandfather.
You
→ Elza Dzelvite (Grahpe,Grāpe)
your mother → Jānis Grāpe(Grahpe)
her father → Baron Arnold Julius von Vietinghoff-Riesch
his father → Juliane Charlotte Lulla von Vietinghoff
his mother → Otto Gustav Nils von Krudener
her father → Karl Gustav von Krüdener
his father → Gerdruta Elisabeth von Krüdener
his mother → Reinhold Friedrich von Taube, a Heringshof
her father → Carl Ludwig von Taube von der Issen
his father → Eversti Bernt von Taube
his father → Loff Tuve zu Purtz-Issen/ Alt Isenhoff im Luggenhausen
his father → Berndt Tuve zu Odenkotz, Etz und Malla
his father → Jakob Taube af Etz, a. Etz
his father → Aleit von Deken zu Neuenhof und Idampere
his mother → Margareta Brackel
her mother → Johann IV von Brakel
her father → Siegfried de Brakel, I
his father → Heinrich von Brakel II
his father → Werner von Brakel II
his father → Beatrix von Calvelage
his mother → Count Hermann von Calvelage, II
her father → Hermann I von Kalvelage, Graf von Ravensberg
his father → Hermann, comte de Verdun et d'Enham
his father → Godefroi I the Captive, count of Ardennes
his father → Oda of Metz
his mother → Oda von Sachsen of Saxony, Queen of Lorraine and East Francia
her mother → Otto I the Illustrious, Duke of Saxony
her father → Oda of Thuringia
his mother → Princess Adelais, of Italy and Lombardia
her mother → Pépin, king of Italy
her father → Charlemagne
his father

Hello!
There are more than these gateways to Charlemagne. Or is these just for people living in the U.S.? He is my 32nd great-grandfather and I have all European ancestors.

If this info is correct Charlemagne is my 33rd Great grandfather. You
→ James Andrew Miller
your father → Carl A Rhoads
his father → William Abner Rhoads
his father → Moses Bishop Rhoads
his father → Chloe Elvira Rhoads
his mother → William D Mays
her father → Letha Leeety Mays
his mother → William Ingram
her father → Mary Ann Ingram
his mother → Alexander O Cunningham
her father → David Cunningham
his father → Joseph Cunningham
his father → John Cunningham
his father → Alexander Cunningham
his father → Sir Cuthbert Cunningham, 3rd Earl of Glencairn
his father → Christian Lindsay
his mother → John Lindsay, 1st Lord of the Byres
her father → Christiana Keith
his mother → Sir William Keith, Great Marischal of Scotland
her father → Sir Edward de Keith of Sinton
his father → Barbara Seton
his mother → Jonet Giffard of Yester
her mother → Sir Roger Giffard, of Clovelly & Yester
her father → Gervaise Giffard
his father → Robert Giffard
his father → Ralph de Tillières, Earl of Tellieres
his father → Gilbert II, Castellan of Tillières
his father → Gilbert Crispin, baron of Tillieres & Bec
his father → Hawise (Heloise) de Guînes
his mother → Siegfried I the Dane, count of Guînes
her father → N.N. N.N.
his mother → Lothair II, king of Lotharingia
her father → Emperor Lothair I
his father → Louis I, The Pious
his father → Charlemagne
his father

Geni says today,
Charlemagne is my 33rd great grandfather.

Charlemagne is your 35th great grandfather.
You
→ Sandra Lee Bittmann
your mother → Leonard Burke
her father → Sylvia L Lee
his mother → Mary Isabelle Lee
her mother → Richard Kerr Steele
her father → Mary Kerr
his mother → Richard Kerr
her father → Patience Kerr
his mother → Col. Richard Wells
her father → Ann Wells
his mother → Rowland Thornberry
her father → William Thornburgh, Esquire
his father → Jane Thornburgh
his mother → Thomas Dalton
her father → Jane Towneley
his mother → Sir Richard Towneley
her father → Sir John Towneley, of Towneley Hall, KG
his father → Joanna Towneley (Southworth)
his mother → Sir Richard Southworth, of Salmesbury
her father → Sir Thomas Southworth
his father → Sir John Southworth
his father → Alicia d'Ewyas
his mother → Nicholas d'Ewyas
her father → Sir John de Ewyas
his father → Robert de Ewyas, III
his father → Robert II de Ewyas, Baron of Ewyas Harold
his father → Robert FitzHarold de Ewyas, I
his father → Harold de Ewyas I, Lord of Ewyas
his father → Ralph I "the Timid" de Mantes, earl of Hereford
his father → Dreux de Mantes, Comte du Vexin et d'Amiens
his father → Count of Vexin et d'Amiens Gautier II "le Blanc" de Mantes, comte d'Amiens et du Vexin, de Valois, de Mantes
his father → Adele d'Anjou, Comtesse d'Amiens
his mother → Fulk, count of Anjou
her father → Ingelger, count of Anjou
his father → Petronelle d'Auxerre de Gâtinais, Comtesse de Anjou
his mother → Hugo, Archchancellor of the Empire
her father → Charlemagne
his father I wounder...

Yes, Ma'am. I can spot them.

he's my 35th great grandfather and that's correct. How can you imagine there would be another source ? with other ancestors ? As Phillippe said, this is not to be taken seriously. Please let us continue in what we are all doing a great job......... real genealogie !

Charlemagne

We needn't get too excited over this project which is only a "partial" list of 'Gateway' ancestors strictly limited to people with Early American ancestry.

Every European country should (and probably do) have their own, completely separate list for anyone interested in their ancient genealogy. Let's locate and make projects out of them, too.

I was a little surprised (and delighted, for sure) to find at least one of my gateway ancestors on this partial list, and find it fairly helpful. However, the partiality of the list is a bit concerning. It would be great to know that genealogists are seriously working on expanding the list for the sake of completeness and accuracy, as I am reasonably certain there would be more among some of my lines (assuming they are properly proven, of course).

Although not a 'joiner' myself, projects like this are fun and can be educational, imho. I appreciate it very much. Would like to see similar ones for populations other than American, as I suspect they do exist.

( Sharon Doubell that anti-virus hopefully doesn't interfere too often with your online research, that would be terrible.)

Charlemagne is my 38th Great Grandfather.

Me
→Thomas Whittenbarger
your father→ Mary Francis Vann
his mother→John Henry vann
her father→Jasper Vann
his father→Morris Washington VANN
his father→Dennis Vann
his father→John Isaac Vann
his father→Agnes Burleson
his mother→Wilkerson Weatherford
her father→William Weatherford, III
his father→Susanna Weatherford
his mother→John Waller
her father→Thomas Waller
his father→Thomas Waller
his father→Sir Edmund Waller
his father→Dorothy Waller
his mother→William Gerrard, MP
her father→Sir James Gerard
his father→William Gerard
his father→Elizabeth Gerard
his mother→Lady Elizabeth Harrington
her mother→Sir James Harrington "Esquire of Westby Lane"
her father→Sir Nicholas Harrington, Lord of Farleton
his father→Katherine Harrington
his mother→Margaret Holland
her mother→Elinor de Holland
her mother→Maude Kellet
her mother→Sibil d'Ewyas
her mother→Robert II de Ewyas, Baron of Ewyas Harold
her father→Robert FitzHarold de Ewyas, I
his father→Harold de Ewyas I, Lord of Ewyas
his father→Ralph I "the Timid" de Mantes, earl of Hereford
his father→Dreux de Mantes, Comte du Vexin et d'Amiens
his father→Count of Vexin et d'Amiens Gautier II "le Blanc" de Mantes, comte d'Amiens et du Vexin, de Valois, de Mantes
his father→Adele d'Anjou, Comtesse d'Amiens
his mother→Fulk, count of Anjou
her father→Ingelger, count of Anjou
his father→Petronelle d'Auxerre de Gâtinais, Comtesse de Anjou
his mother→ Hugo, Archchancellor of the Empire
her father→Charlemagne
his father

I do have gateway ancestors of Phillip Lightfoot but he is not in this lineage

The gateway ancestor that I descend from is Elizabeth Baldwin (Alsop) (6000000001108874216) my 10 great-grandmother though when I click on Charlemagne's profile it has me go through Henry "the Settler" Tomlinson (6000000009369463382) who you Erica Howton are a curator. Do you know if Henry is a proven line as well? Is this discussion group to add people to the order or just to verify descent from Charlemagne?

Peter Worden, my 11th great-grandfather is also another gateway ancestor of mine.

Siegfried I the Dane, count of Guînes is my 30th great grandfather.
Lothair II, king of Lotharingia is my 28th great uncle.
Charlemagne is my 29th great grandfather.

With all the wives he had, isn't Charlemagne a direct ancestor of nearly every person of European descent? He's my 35th great-grandfather, but it doesn't mean anything aside from cool trivia. Making an Order of Descendants, particularly in the US, with it's history of judgement by skin color just seems... tacky.