Judith Gouye (Parnuit) - Parents not known

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Private User
12/3/2021 at 3:45 PM

Judith Parnuit's parents are not known, and they do not appear in any reliable/reputable sources. The only sources claiming she is the daughter of a Nicholas Parrissot (1558–1638) and Marguerite Parrissot (1556–1623; neither of which I could prove to exist) are all user-generated websites like FamilySearch Trees, MyHeritage, WikiTree, Family Echo, etc. and they do not cite any sources. Furthermore, it would not make sense if her father was Nicholas Parrissot as her birth surname is Parnuit.

The sources all mentioning Parnuit have no record of her having any parents (and further confirm her maiden name):
*"Die Nels in Frankryk: nuwe inligting", (in Afrikaans) volume 3 of Famnea, published in Sep 2007, the quarterly journal of the Genealogical Society of South Africa.
*"Proceedings of the Huguenot Society of Great Britain and Ireland", published in 2007 by the Huguenot Society of Great Britain and Ireland. page 17.
*"Die Eerste Kaap Stamboom", published in March 2008 by Johana Nels and M. J. Bothma
As well as the website e-family.co.za, which often cites baptism and marriage records, but it is may not be entirely reliable for all info.

J P Weyers
12/3/2021 at 8:55 PM

Agree we need sources.

However I have discovered a few gaps and mistakes in " Die Nels ' and ' Die Eerste Kaapse Stanboom ' where sources for individuals do exist yet they do not appear in these publications; then some argue they do not exist.
Not appearing in a compiled genealogical publication is not proof of not existting.
Similar with other surname Genealogical Publications from Mackenzie ,de Klerk to Roux just as examples.
Same with SAG Publications ; a lot of individuals wrong information or completely missing.

12/3/2021 at 10:44 PM

cf Nicholas Parrissot and Marguerite Parrissot

Cutting relationship, pending the provision of primary sources.

12/3/2021 at 10:48 PM

What primary sources do we have for Judith herself?

J P Weyers
12/3/2021 at 10:52 PM

Link / Match to familysearch.org-- No sources there.

J P Weyers
12/3/2021 at 10:55 PM

WikiTree link / match also no sources .

J P Weyers
12/3/2021 at 10:59 PM

Even on profle of her daughter : I think it might but however no sources proving her as parent .

12/3/2021 at 11:00 PM

Delia is citing [S416] Nico Nel, "Die Nels in Frankryk: nuwe inligting", Famnea Vol. 4, Nr. 3 (September 2007). Hereinafter cited as "Die Nels in Frankryk: nuwe inligting."

J P Weyers
12/3/2021 at 11:18 PM

Even FFY sometimes sources are debatable / questionable.
Would like to see what are the actual sources for " Die Nels in Frankryk "
I find surnames based Genealogical Publications too often lack verifiable sources.

J P Weyers
12/3/2021 at 11:20 PM

Do see that FFY also have nothing further ancesteyvfor this Judith Parnuit or is it parvenu ? My ancestor.

12/3/2021 at 11:23 PM

I'd like to read it too.

Private User
12/5/2021 at 3:13 PM

I found a primary source for Parnuit on FamilySearch (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9396-ZK68-F?i=231&w...). The first line of this marriage record between Guillaume Néel (or Nel) and Judith Gouye (Parnuit's daughter) states that Néel is married to "[…] Judith Gouye, daughter Esaye and of Judith Parnuit, of Rouen." I do not speak French so this is what I translated with Google Translate from what text I could recognise "Marriage 1660 April 18 of Pierre Neel, son of far Pierre and of Anne Mauger(?), living in Greenville(?) with Judith Gouye, daughter of Esaye and of Judith Parnuit, of Rouen."

If Parnuit was a Protestant there is a good chance we could find another record of her as the Church Records go all the way back to 1536.

Private User
12/5/2021 at 3:17 PM

I no longer have a subscription to Famnea, but if I recall correctly the article cited records from the Archives Départementales. It has a website but it appears to be exclusively in French, so I cannot navigate it easily unfortunately.

J P Weyers
12/5/2021 at 9:04 PM

This a definite primary source for parents .
Residence Granville de Courcy , Manche ,France .

J P Weyers
12/5/2021 at 9:20 PM

Sharon could you add date and correct place of marrige to their profiles please.

J P Weyers
12/5/2021 at 9:27 PM

Any proof of first husband Guillaume Neel for Judith Gouye

On this marriage 18 April 1660 in Grenville de Courcy, Manche ,France only name Pierre Neel

12/5/2021 at 10:53 PM

Private User well found: thankyou.

12/5/2021 at 11:08 PM

Am I missing something or does this have Judith Gouye marrying both Guillaume and Pierre Nel??

J P Weyers
12/5/2021 at 11:44 PM

At the moment two husbands on Geni for Judith Gouye.
Wikitree link / match same marriage date 18 April 1660.
Relationship tab removed for Judi Gouye

J P Weyers
12/5/2021 at 11:52 PM

That is the daughter if this Judith Parnuit

J P Weyers
12/5/2021 at 11:59 PM

Parents of Judith Gouye from Rouen ,Seine-Maritime ,France

12/6/2021 at 1:23 AM

I'm referring to the doc data translated for us by Zarel - Read it carefully. It's confusing

J P Weyers
12/6/2021 at 1:28 AM

Or possible Greuville ( de Caux ) Seine-Maritime, France.
Closer to Dieppe
Most likely place for him and his parents .
But the Street mentioned as his place of death 1681 not right.

J P Weyers
12/6/2021 at 1:32 AM

Sharon send you link to the Protestants of Caux to yr e-mail

J P Weyers
12/6/2021 at 1:36 AM

Brilliant it has Neel as Protestants from Greuville ( Pays de Caux ) , Seine-Maritime, France

J P Weyers
12/6/2021 at 2:11 AM

Only one Pierre Neel on document.
18 April 1660 son of Pierre Neel

A Francois Neel marriage 1 Janvier / January 1668 not clear who parents were. With Catherine Caron

Then Jacques Neel marriage 12 May 1669 son of Francois Neel and Catherine CARON ? WHO MARRIED IN 1668. ?

J P Weyers
12/6/2021 at 2:17 AM

Francois Neel 1669 un Veuf / a widower
Catherine Caron une veuve / a widow when they married 1668

J P Weyers
12/6/2021 at 2:22 AM

Pierre Neel fils du fair Pierre---
Pierre Neel son of the Just / honorable Pierre

J P Weyers
12/6/2021 at 2:30 AM

Rouen in France not in Nederland as on FFY

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