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I am opening further discussion on Hendrik, because it is possible that this Hendrik (currently given as the husband of Maria and the father of Mijndert) is not the correct person.

Of particular interest is the suggestion that the children of Cornelis Claas /Claesz (Kees de Boer) were known by the patronym CORNELISZ (not CLAASEN)

There are two Hendriks in question.

1) Stamouers.com has Hendrik born 1686 son of Claas Gerrits and Sara van Soloor married Maria BOOIJS. (see entry Hendrik CLAASSEN) He was baptised 6 March 1686 . He had a brother called Meijndert (or Meyndert) and a brother called Gerrit . His half-sister was Hendriette (Henrietta) Wittebol who married W L Wiederhold.
Willem Kempen (Claassens family http://www.kempen.id.au/index.php?id_pag=32) has similar info.
Mansell Upham has this Hendrik married to Maria, and
Delia Robertson (First Fifty Years Project) agrees. http://www.e-family.co.za/ffy/g9/p9571.htm

2)Booysen, Claasen and Buchroeder trees have Hendrik born 1681, the son of Cornelis Claasen and Catharina van Malabar., m Maria Booysen.

HOWEVER, Richard Ball (2010) says that the children of Cornelis Claasen and Catharina van Malabar used the patronym CORNELISZ .(http://www.ballfamilyrecords.co.uk/robberts/I022.html).

So their son was known as Hendrik CORNELISZ although his name is written Hendrik CLAESSEN in the baptismal register.
Ref (Delia Robertson First Fifty Years) http://www.e-family.co.za/ffy/g7/p7266.htm

Interesting. I'll have a look in my archives to see if I can find anything. Mansell Upham does a great deal to research and publish genealogical trees, so that is to be appreciated. Unfortunately, he does not respond to messages on other sites, so I'm not sure that I'll get a response if I ask him about it.

But his sister was Adriaantjie Gabrielsz ?
Where did that patronym or surname originate from ?
Claessen ,Cornelisz and Gabrielsz
A bit like pick a name any name .

FFY have Adriaantjie Gabrielsz as stepdaughter of Kees De Boer.
-- and I think Beverley might be right re wrong Hendrik.

Beverley link to profile of Hendrik Ckaasen born 1686 ?

Hendrik Claasens

Weird he was not on GENI !!
Wonder why ?

Baptism Hendrick Claasz was baptized on 30 December 1685 Nederduitsch Gereformeerde Kerk, (Cape Town), de Caep de Goede Hoop. The baptism was witnessed by Armosyn de Groote van de Caep. This witness has not been positively identified but Armosyn de Groote van de Caep is(are) potentially the correct individual(s.)1
Marriage* He married Maria Booysen, daughter of Boij Boijsen and Hermina van Nek, on 14 July 1709 Nederduitsch Gereformeerde Kerk, Stellenbosch, de Caep de Goede Hoop.2

According to FFY

Adriaantje Gabrielsz, SM

YET on FFY : ---3. When Adriaantje is married she is described as the step-daughter of Catharina van Malabar's husband||in this way: ao' 1683, eodem dito [den 4. Julij], Pieter Gerrits zoo, Jonghman, vryburgh en Aedriantie stiefdogter van Kees de boer1,2

Why her surnamis Gabrielsz not Cornelisz ?

Names of children

Maria Claasz4 b. b 20 Mar 1712
Gerrit Claasen5 b. b 5 May 1725
Myndert Claasen+6 b. b 22 Dec 1726

does not link him to Kees de Boer !

This is the Master Profile for Hendrik Claasen, b8.
Curator Note from Judith Susanna Hendrika Meyer (Marais), Judi - i12j2 (1/11/2015):

http://databases.tanap.net/mooc/make_pdf.cfm?output=pdf&id=......

Inventories of the Orphan Chamber
Cape Town Archives Repository, South Africa
Reference no.: MOOC8/1.28
Testator(s):
Klaas Gerritz: van Bengalen
5 November 1697
Inventaris en tacxatie der goederen, nagelaten en met de dood ontruijmt van den overleden vrije swart Klaas
Gerritz: van Bengalen voor en ten behoeven van sijn egte huijsvrouw Zara van Zoloor ter eener; en
zijn vier kinderen, gen:t
Hendriette oud 23
Meijndert oud 16
Gerrit oud 11, en
Hendrik Klaasz: oud 10 jaren

Obviouly husband of Maria Booijs now attached to wrong parents here !!

Claasz Gerritz van Bengale

@Sharon Doubell

Hendrik Claasen, b8 was disconnected from his parents Gerritsz Claasz and Sara Claasz (Van Soloor) by Herman Booysen.
23 Feb at 2:40 PM ·

Son of Cornelis "Kees de Boer" Claesz, SV/PROG 1 and Catharina (Catrijn) van Malabar, SM/PROG ?/

Why no children named after current father or siblings on GENI ?

Brother of Klaas Claasen; Cornelia Cornelisse Claasen Pyl, b3 SM/PROG; Aaltje Cornelisz, b4 SM/PROG; Maria Willemse (Cornelisz), SM; Barend Claasens, b6; Catharina Cornelisz van Hoorn (Claasens), b7 SM and Adriaantje Gabrielsz, SM/Prog

None of his children named after any of his siblings here .

@Delia Robertson

Discussion Unfollowed.

@ Phillipp - thanks for all your work and information.

Re Adriaantje Gabrielsz - She was not the biological daughter of Cornelis Claesz as shown on her current Geni profile.
These are the notes I have made in the past, some of which came from Delia Robertson's First Fifty years project.http://www.e-family.co.za/ffy/g7/p7069.htm
She was also known as Ariaantje CORNELISZ and Ariaantje VAN CATHRYN.
She was the witness at the baptism of Hendrik (son of Cornelis Claasen (her step-father) and her mother Catharina) on 26 Dec 1681.
She was identified as the "voordogter" of Catharina, the wife of Cornelis Claasz (Kees de Boer) by Mansell Upham in his article "The Soetkoek Syndrome", based on the evidence of Catharina's marriage entry in the Cape Town register. (Ref: Mansell Upham, The Soetkoek Syndrome, in Capensis 2/2001,pages 27-30).
http://www.e-family.co.za/ffy/g7/p7069.htm

@ Phillipp - Thank you for making a new profile for Hendrik (son of Sara and Claas Gerritz).

It will be interesting to see if there is any support for him being the husband of Maria Booysen

At present I have no information on the "current" husband Hendrik Claasen, b8. I'll keep looking.

@ Beverley sadly few bother to follow these discussions.
Ariaantjie my 6th grt grandmother .
Let's see what happens.

Guys - put the profile links into this discussion where you want managers to come and comment eg cf Cornelis "Kees de Boer" Claesz, SV/PROG 1

I'm not very knowledgeable on these profiles: Private seems to curate.

I don't understand why Herman Booysen decided to unfollow the discussion.

You are going to have to explain in simple steps what the issues are if you want my help. There is too much info about too many profiles above for me to unravel easily.

On Adriaantje Gabrielsz, SM 's parentage - here is the Discussion: https://www.geni.com/discussions/157268?msg=1091081

Private User says I am opening further discussion on Hendrik Hendrik Claasens , because it is possible that this Hendrik (currently given as the husband of Maria Maria Magdalena Claasen and the father of Mijndert Mijndert Claasen ) is not the correct person.

Of particular interest is the suggestion that the children of Cornelis Claas /Claesz (Kees de Boer) Cornelis "Kees de Boer" Claesz, SV/PROG 1 were known by the patronym CORNELISZ (not CLAASEN)

There are two Hendriks in question.

1) Stamouers.com has Hendrik born 1686 son of Claas Gerrits and Sara van Soloor married Maria BOOIJS. (see entry Hendrik CLAASSEN) He was baptised 6 March 1686 . He had a brother called Meijndert (or Meyndert) and a brother called Gerrit . His half-sister was Hendriette (Henrietta) Wittebol who married W L Wiederhold.
Willem Kempen (Claassens family http://www.kempen.id.au/index.php?id_pag=32) has similar info.
Mansell Upham has this Hendrik married to Maria, and
Delia Robertson (First Fifty Years Project) agrees. http://www.e-family.co.za/ffy/g9/p9571.htm

2)Booysen, Claasen and Buchroeder trees have Hendrik born 1681, the son of Cornelis Claasen and Catharina van Malabar., m Maria Booysen.

HOWEVER, Richard Ball (2010) says that the children of Cornelis Claasen and Catharina van Malabar used the patronym CORNELISZ .(http://www.ballfamilyrecords.co.uk/robberts/I022.html).

So their son was known as Hendrik CORNELISZ although his name is written Hendrik CLAESSEN in the baptismal register.
Ref (Delia Robertson First Fifty Years) http://www.e-family.co.za/ffy/g7/p7266.htm

Acc. to http://databases.tanap.net/mooc/make_pdf.cfm?output=pdf&id=MOOC8/1.28
Hendrik Claasens

Hendrik Klaasz b 1687

  • s/o Klaas Gerritz: van Bengalen vrije swart & Zara van Zoloor
  • Siblings: Hendriette, Meijndert, Gerrit

This above MOOC link was Judi's CN reference on Hendrik Claasens but it appears actually to apply Hendrik Claasens unless Hendrik Claasens 's profile needs to be moved/restored to other parents?

Cornelis "Kees de Boer" Claesz, SV/PROG 1's son Hendrik is born 1681, though - and we know that Klaas Gerritz: van Bengalen vrije swart & Zara van Zoloor's son Hendrik is b 187.

THX SHaron !

So I'm moving the CN that comes from Judi's reference Acc. to http://databases.tanap.net/mooc/make_pdf.cfm?output=pdf&id=MOOC8/1.28
from Hendrik Claasens to Hendrik Claasens

Hendrik Klaasz b 1687

s/o Klaas Gerritz: van Bengalen vrije swart & Zara van Zoloor

Siblings: Hendriette, Meijndert, Gerrit

Hendrik Claasz b4

Baptism Hendrick Claasz was baptized on 30 December 1685 Nederduitsch Gereformeerde Kerk, (Cape Town), de Caep de Goede Hoop. The baptism was witnessed by Armosyn de Groote van de Caep. This witness has not been positively identified but Armosyn de Groote van de Caep is(are) potentially the correct individual(s.)1
Marriage* He married Maria Booysen, daughter of Boij Boijsen and Hermina van Nek, on 14 July 1709 Nederduitsch Gereformeerde Kerk, Stellenbosch, de Caep de Goede Hoop.2

According to FFY

Ariaantjie Gabrielsz separate discussion --
first focus who was husband of Maria Booysen

Hendrik Claasen, b8 or Hendrik Claasz , b4 - Which Hendrik married Maria Booysen??

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