Johnny Cash - Johnny Cash's Native American Ancestry

The revision history on Rebecca Overton shows that Private added the "Catawba" suffix to her and her ancestors in August. David, please share your sources for this information.

Overall, Cash's tree is poorly cited, so we'll still need to cite his path back to her regardless of whether she was Catawba.

The MP for Thomas "Nopkehe" Arataswa Chief of the Catawba Nation, Thomas Ayre Ayers Kopkehee Haigler, Catawba suggests the path downward from him needs proof, so we'd also need to cite Rebecca's path to him.

Kevin Patrick Carey Is right, that was a good show. And if i remember correctly, Gates danced around the claim of his Native American ancestry by the focus on her mother’s side. But I “think” Roseann Cash’s DNA testing did not show any. This should be easy enough to look up.

A DNA test whose results were displayed on the show Finding Your Roots with Henry Louis Gates, Jr. (2021) stated that Rosanne’s genetic ancestry is:

• 92.3% European
• 3.8% Western Asian
• 3.3% Sub-Saharan African
• 0.6% Unassigned

https://ethnicelebs.com/rosanne-cash

If I'm remembering that episode correctly, it found that Rosanne Cash had African-American ancestry through both sides, but I have the same memory as Erica about them not finding Native American ancestry. Someone else is welcome to rewatch the episode to see if it said something different.

Either way, we need to work with the records, so let's look at our tasks:

1. Cite Johnny Cash back to Rebecca Overton
2. Review David's sources about Rebecca being Catawba (once he has a chance to provide them)
3. Determine whether Rebecca was actually a descendant of King Hagler

Oh whoops, cross-posted. Thanks, Erica!

I’m uploading the book page this is from.

Contained in the following information from Southern Arkansas Biographical and Historical Memoirs, Ch 25, Cleveland County (search.ancestry.com,/Browse/view.aspx?dbib=7192&path=Biographical+and+Historic...) is data about the following persons: Rev John H W Overton, his wife Susan W Wharton Overton, his father James Overton, his mother Rebecca Hagler Overton & his sister Angeline J Overton Lemmons. Ancestry, AncestryImage

”Rev. John H. W. Overton was born in Henry County, Ga, and is a son of James and Rebecca (Hagler) Overton, the former of whom was born, reared and educated in South Carolina, his removal to the State of Georgia taking place after he had reached man's estate, and there he was married. His wife was brought up in Tennessee, but removed to Georgia with her people, where she met and married Mr. Overton. After the birth of the subject of this sketch they removed to Lafayette County, and after a residence of ten years then they settled in Marion County, Ala, where they made their home for four years. They then took up their abode in Carroll County, Miss, this being in the fall of 1848, and in October, 1849, they emigrated to Arkansas and settled on the farm on which the subject of this sketch is now living which was then in Bradley (now Cleveland) County. ..

There are Ancestry trees, including one with a “DNA verified” tag, that show Rebecca Hagler as daughter of Jacob Hagler (brother of John “the cripple” Hagler) and Elizabeth Cagle, sister of David Cagle and daughter of George Cagle and Rebecca. King Hagler, Catawba Indian, was a real person, but so far I haven’t seen any details on him, not any Ancestry tree linking Rebecca.

Incidentally, she married in Jasper, Georgia in 1817.

I’m hesitating slightly because

• 1) Cagle & Hagler trees need straightening out
• 2) her parents would be Revolutionary War generation, and I would think that Johnny Cash as an amateur genealogist would have identified any Patriot ancestors
• 3) apparently the professional genealogy done for him in the (1990s ?) called him “pure” Scots, & Hagler / Cagle is of course Palantine / German
• 4) yet we know from DNA testing that “pure Scots” can’t possibly be true.

Stephen Daniel Harper I’m really glad this came up, it’s more interesting than I would have thought.

Here’s where I’m at so far on the contorted Hagler / Cagles.

Elizabeth Hagler

(The Hagler side is confused - jump in, anyone!)

AncestryImage AncestryImage

Jacob Hagler was a son of John and was mentioned in his father's will.

He sold his 121 acres of land and relocated into the western edge of
what was Montgomery County. His wife was Elizabeth the daughter of
Rebecca and George Cagle. About 1816 Jacob and wife relocated to Henry
County, GA. in order that Elizabeth could be near her favored brother
who was David Cagle. Jacob and Elizabeth were the parents of Elizabeth
who was the first wife of Rev. George Boger

Thanks so much, David! So if that's the only source used on those profiles, we can cut -- Rebecca is not mentioned at all in the source, nor is a father for her.

Same here, Stephen - yet DNA doesn’t show any German so far. But I don’t see how someone like me with plenty of Arkansas cousins could avoid a Johnny Cash connection. :).

Sure, Rebecca Hagler could be a previous married name - but then, why is it on her tombstone?

Elizabeth Hagler Has a birthdate that makes her Rebecca’s contemporary, not mother; but she and “Jacob Hagler of Tennessee and Georgia” are also seen as the mother of a somewhat famous guy - Rev. George Boger - so we have some big mixup somewhere.

Cynthia Curtis, A183502, US7875087 - I’ve cited everything I’ve done so far on the Cagle cleanup.

I’ve been using

https://wc.rootsweb.com/trees/104973/I6860/elizabeth-cagle/ahnentafel

https://www.genealogy.com/ftm/j/o/n/Mary-E-Cagle/GENE11-0003.html#C...

http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Cagle-606

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/30453935/george-cagle

So I’m moving on down the tree & looking for more docs.