Joe Biden - Descent from Edward III?

Started by Private User on Sunday, November 14, 2021
Problem with this page?

Participants:

Profiles Mentioned:

Related Projects:

Showing 1-30 of 34 posts
Private User
11/14/2021 at 3:29 PM

I have again received a request to add Joe Biden, 46th President of the USA to the "Descendants of Edward III" project -- but, as in the past, we do not currently show a path of descent from Edward to Biden. It's Dr. Jill Biden, 43rd First Lady of the United States who has such a path at this time.

Since the idea of Biden being a descendant of Edward keeps coming up, I'm creating this as a dedicated discussion thread for anyone who wants to work together to find evidence. (And I would strongly encourage reading back through other threads about Biden's ancestry before getting to work!) If anyone can help cite the claimed path, it would help a lot.

11/15/2021 at 11:16 AM

Well... Joe Biden has Hall and Wingfield in his tree. If some one can figure them out, and they connect into MY Hall and Wingfield trees, he would be blood to Edward III.

11/15/2021 at 11:20 AM

My Wingfield to Edward III... (not direct descent, but blood)

Thomas Maria Wingfield, MP is Edward III, king of England's first cousin 6 times removed!
Edward III, king of England
→ Edward II, king of England
his father → Joan of Acre
his sister → Thomas, 2nd Baron de Monthermer
her son → Margaret de Montacute
his daughter → John Montacute, 3rd Earl of Salisbury
her son → Lady Anne Montagu, Duchess of Exeter
his daughter → Elizabeth FitzLewis
her daughter → Sir Richard Wingfield, Kt.
her son → Thomas Maria Wingfield, MP
his son

11/15/2021 at 11:27 AM

In that same tree, Elizabeth Wingfield, who married Francis Hall...

Elizabeth Hall (Wingfield) is Edward III, king of England's first cousin five times removed!
Edward III, king of England
→ Edward II, king of England
his father → Joan of Acre
his sister → Thomas, 2nd Baron de Monthermer
her son → Margaret de Montacute
his daughter → John Montacute, 3rd Earl of Salisbury
her son → Lady Anne Montagu, Duchess of Exeter
his daughter → Elizabeth FitzLewis
her daughter → Elizabeth Hall (Wingfield)
her daughter

I'm related to Edward III direct

Edward III, king of England is your 19th great grandfather.
You
→ Linda Sue Jackson
your mother → Nathan Arvil Jones
her father → Willie Kile Jones
his father → Pvt. (CSA), Hardin Riley Jones
his father → John Lyttleton Jones
his father → John B Jones
his father → Thomas Carpenter Jones
his father → Thomas Soloman Jones
his father → Mary Jones
his mother → Rachal Winsor
her mother → Rachel Buckland Loring
her mother → John Wheatley
her father → Mary Wheatley
his mother → Sir Gregory G. Fiennes, 10th Baron Dacre
her father → Mary Neville Thursby, Baroness of Dacre
his mother → Sir George Neville, 5th and de jure 3rd Baron Bergavenny
her father → George Neville, 4th and de jure 2nd Baron Bergavenny
his father → Edward Neville, 3rd Baron of Bergavenny
his father → Joan Beaufort, Countess of Westmorland
his mother → John of Gaunt, 1st Duke of Lancaster, 1st Earl of Richmond
her father → Edward III, king of England
his father

I'm related to President Biden

Joe Biden, 46th President of the USA is your 7th cousin twice removed.
You
→ Jimmy Lynn Jackson
your father → Dixie Dean Jackson
his mother → Henry Green Bratton
her father → Lucinda Elizabeth Bratton
his mother → Celia F. Fields
her mother → William Thomas Jernigan, Jr.
her father → Margaret Margaret Jernigan
his mother → John Evans, Sr., Revolutionary War veteran
her father → Samuel Evans
his father → Elizabeth Kingsbury
his mother → James Kingsbury, Jr.
her son → Elizabeth Pumphrey
his daughter → James Pumphrey
her son → Jane Eliza Robinette
his daughter → Pvt. George Hamilton Robinette, USA
her son → Mary Elizabeth Biden
his daughter → Joseph Robinette Biden, Sr.
her son → Joe Biden, 46th President of the USA
his son

and I'm related to the first lady Jill Biden

Dr. Jill Biden, 43rd First Lady of the United States is your 13th cousin once removed.
You
→ Jimmy Lynn Jackson
your father → Dixie Dean Jackson
his mother → Eliza Lee Bratton
her mother → Elizabeth White (Suttle)
her mother → Isaac G. Suttle Jr.
her father → Isaac G. Suttle Sr.
his father → Rev. William Suttle, Sr.
his father → Charity Settle
his mother → Maxfield Browne
her father → William Browne
his father → Richard Browne of Virginia
his father → Orignall Brown, "the immigrant"
his father → Richard Browne
his father → Henry Browne
his brother → Anne Agnes Winthrop
his daughter → Anne Fones
her daughter → Elizabeth Hallett
her daughter → Elizabeth Underhill
her daughter → Deborah Townsend
her daughter → Peter J. Corson, Jr.
her son → Jesse Corson, Sr.
his son → Martha Godfrey
his daughter → Jesse C. Godfrey
her son → Jesse Somers Godfrey
his son → Harold Godfrey
his son → Harold Godfrey, Jr.
his son → <private> Godfrey
his daughter → Dr. Jill Biden, 43rd First Lady of the United States
her daughter

Diana Collins

I'm related to your Thomas Maria Wingfield

Thomas Maria Wingfield, MP is your third cousin 15 times removed.
You
→ Linda Sue Jackson
your mother → Zettie Jones
her mother → Enoch Albert Key
her father → Enoch Coleman Key
his father → Joshua Key
his father → Ann Key
his mother → Lt Jonathan Gibson Taylor
her father → Rachel Taylor
his mother → Elizabeth Conway Gibson
her mother → Alice Thornton
her mother → Captain Anthony Savage
her father → Ralph Savage
his father → Walter Savage, Esq., of Elmley
his father → Francis Savage, Esq., of Elmley
his father → Christopher Savage, Esq.
his father → Sir Christopher Savage, of Chipping Campden
his father → Katherine Savage
his mother → Joan Goushill, Baroness of Stanley
her mother → Elizabeth Cathrine Hardwick, Duchess of Norfolk
her sister → Sir John Wingfield
her son → Sir Richard Wingfield, Kt.
his son → Thomas Maria Wingfield, MP
his son

and your Elizabeth Hall

Elizabeth Hall (Wingfield) is your second cousin 16 times removed.
You
→ Linda Sue Jackson
your mother → Zettie Jones
her mother → Enoch Albert Key
her father → Enoch Coleman Key
his father → Joshua Key
his father → Ann Key
his mother → Lt Jonathan Gibson Taylor
her father → Rachel Taylor
his mother → Elizabeth Conway Gibson
her mother → Alice Thornton
her mother → Captain Anthony Savage
her father → Ralph Savage
his father → Walter Savage, Esq., of Elmley
his father → Francis Savage, Esq., of Elmley
his father → Christopher Savage, Esq.
his father → Sir Christopher Savage, of Chipping Campden
his father → Katherine Savage
his mother → Joan Goushill, Baroness of Stanley
her mother → Elizabeth Cathrine Hardwick, Duchess of Norfolk
her sister → Sir John Wingfield
her son → Elizabeth Hall (Wingfield)
his daughter

11/15/2021 at 3:54 PM

Edward III, king of England is Diana Collins' 18th great grandfather!
Diana Collins
You → Shirley Ann Collins
your mother → Nellie Marie Hunter
her mother → Smith Sanders
her father → Mary Sanders
his mother → William Clutter, Sr.
her father → Ruth Clutter
his mother → Nathaniel Wade
her father → Jonathan Wade
his father → Mercy Wade
his mother → Anne Bradstreet, 1st American poet
her mother → Thomas Dudley, Governor of Massachusetts Bay Colony
her father → Captain Roger Dudley
his father → Capt Sir Henry Dudley
his father → John Sutton, 3rd Baron Dudley
his father → Cecily Sutton
his mother → Jane Strangeways
her mother → Katherine Neville, Duchess of Norfolk
her mother → Joan Beaufort, Countess of Westmorland
her mother → John of Gaunt, 1st Duke of Lancaster, 1st Earl of Richmond
her father → Edward III, king of England
his father

11/15/2021 at 4:03 PM

2 more paths, Edward III is also my 19th great-grandfather thru my mom... and thru my dad he is my 20th great-grandfather...

Edward III, king of England is Bernard Lloyd Collins' 19th great grandfather!
Bernard Lloyd Collins
→ Virginia Wilma Collins
his mother → Thomas Benton Lazear, Jr
her father → Hannah Jane Lazear, (Twin)
his mother → Thomas Pittman
her father → Elias Pittman, Jr.
his father → Sarah Jane Truax
his mother → John J Truax
her father → Rebecca Abigail Truax
his mother → Elias Richard Stillwell, I
her father → Capt. Nicholas Stillwell, IV
his father → Abigail Stillwell
his mother → Jane Hopton
her mother → Rowland Kemeys, of Vaerdre
her father → Margred Morgan
his mother → Elizabeth Morgan
her mother → Joan Vaughan
her mother → Constance Whitney
her mother → Eleanor Tuchet
her mother → Constance of York, Countess of Gloucester
her mother → Edmund of Langley, 1st Duke of York
her father → Edward III, king of England
his father

11/15/2021 at 4:19 PM

Edward III, king of England is your 19th great grandfather.
You
→ Sandra Lee Bittmann, Ms
your mother → Leonard Burke
her father → Sylvia L Lee
his mother → Mary Isabelle Lee
her mother → Richard Kerr Steele
her father → Mary Kerr
his mother → Richard Kerr
her father → Patience Kerr
his mother → Col. Richard Wells
her father → Ann Wells
his mother → Rowland Thornberry
her father → Catherine Thornborough
his mother → Edward Langtree, Esq.
her father → Helene or Eleanor Langtree
his mother → Sir James Stanley, Knight
her father → George Stanley, 9th Baron Strange of Knockin
his father → Lady Eleanor Neville, Countess of Derby
his mother → Richard Neville, 5th Earl of Salisbury
her father → Joan Beaufort, Countess of Westmorland
his mother → John of Gaunt, 1st Duke of Lancaster, 1st Earl of Richmond
her father → Edward III, king of England
his father

11/15/2021 at 4:21 PM

Thru my dad...

Dr. Jill Biden, 43rd First Lady of the United States is Bernard Lloyd Collins' 10th cousin!
Bernard Lloyd Collins
→ Virginia Wilma Collins
his mother → Thomas Benton Lazear, Jr
her father → Hannah Jane Lazear, (Twin)
his mother → Thomas Pittman
her father → Elias Pittman, Jr.
his father → Sarah Jane Truax
his mother → John J Truax
her father → Rebecca Abigail Truax
his mother → Elias Richard Stillwell, I
her father → Rebecca Stillwell
his mother → Elizabeth Hubbard
her sister → Rebecca Gerretsen
her daughter → Rachel Corson
her daughter → Jesse Corson, Sr.
her son → Martha Godfrey
his daughter → Jesse C. Godfrey
her son → Jesse Somers Godfrey
his son → Harold Godfrey
his son → Harold Godfrey, Jr.
his son → <private> Godfrey
his daughter → Dr. Jill Biden, 43rd First Lady of the United States
her daughter

11/15/2021 at 4:23 PM

Thru my mom...

Dr. Jill Biden, 43rd First Lady of the United States is Diana Collins' 10th cousin!
Diana Collins
You → Shirley Ann Collins
your mother → Nellie Marie Hunter
her mother → Phoebe Jeanette Goosman
her mother → Lavina Ruth Hendershot
her mother → William Pittman
her father → Betheanna Pittman
his mother → Jacob Truax
her father → Rebecca Abigail Truax
his mother → Elias Richard Stillwell, I
her father → Rebecca Stillwell
his mother → Elizabeth Hubbard
her sister → Rebecca Gerretsen
her daughter → Rachel Corson
her daughter → Jesse Corson, Sr.
her son → Martha Godfrey
his daughter → Jesse C. Godfrey
her son → Jesse Somers Godfrey
his son → Harold Godfrey
his son → Harold Godfrey, Jr.
his son → <private> Godfrey
his daughter → Dr. Jill Biden, 43rd First Lady of the United States
her daughter

11/16/2021 at 2:44 AM

Because of Edward III's prolific number of offspring, by the time we get down to 2021, there must be many thousands of us descended from Edward III. However, I can think of few people I would wish less to share this heritage with me than Joe Biden.

11/16/2021 at 3:09 AM

Elizabeth (Wingfield) Hall was married twice. First to Richard Hall, then to Richard Harrison.

11/16/2021 at 3:26 AM

Elizabeth DID NOT die in 1688... she married Richard Harrison in 1695!

11/16/2021 at 3:58 AM

Me
My wife → Caroline Anne Davidson (Sealy)
your wife → Charles Arundel Sealy
her father → Charles Sealy
his father → Eugene Joseph Sealy
his father → Charles Arundel Sealy
his father → John Sealy
his father → Charles Sealy
his brother → Mary Ursula Baring (Sealy)
his daughter → Frances Baring
her daughter → Henry Labouchere, 1st Baron Taunton
her husband → Mary Matilda Georgiana Labouchere (Howard)
his wife → Hon. Henry George Howard
her brother → Mary Wellesley Howard (McTavish)
his wife → John Lovet MacTavish
her father → Marjory MacTavish (Fraser)
his mother → Janet Willison
her mother → Cornelius Willison
her brother → Sarah Elizabeth Crabtree (Willison)
his daughter → Benjamin Johnson
her husband → Dorcas “Darkey” Robinette (Johnson)
his daughter → Moses Johnson Robinette
her son → Pvt. George Hamilton Robinette, USA
his son → Mary Elizabeth Biden (Robinette)
his daughter → Joseph Robinette Biden, Sr.
her son → Joe Biden, 46th President of the USA
his son

11/16/2021 at 4:01 AM

Me
My wife → Caroline Anne Davidson (Sealy)
your wife → Charles Arundel Sealy
her father → Charles Sealy
his father → Eugene Joseph Sealy
his father → Charles Arundel Sealy
his father → John Sealy
his father → Charles Sealy
his brother → Mary Ursula Baring (Sealy)
his daughter → Sir Thomas Baring, 2nd Baronet, MP
her husband → Henry Baring, M.P. of Cromer Hall
his brother → Edward Baring, 1st Baron Revelstoke
his son → Margaret Spencer, Viscountess Althorp
his daughter → Albert Edward John Spencer, 7th Earl Spencer
her son → John Spencer, 8th Earl Spencer
his son → Diana, Princess of Wales
his daughter → Charles, Prince of Wales
her ex-husband → Elizabeth II, Queen of the United Kingdom
his mother

11/16/2021 at 4:03 AM

Me
My wife → Caroline Anne Davidson (Sealy)
your wife → Charles Arundel Sealy
her father → Charles Sealy
his father → Eugene Joseph Sealy
his father → Charles Arundel Sealy
his father → John Sealy
his father → Charles Sealy
his brother → Mary Ursula Baring (Sealy)
his daughter → Francis Thornhill Baring, 1st Baron Northbrook PC
her son → Arabella Georgina Baring, Baroness Northbrook (Howard)
his wife → Lady Charlotte Holmes (Primrose)
her mother → Neil Primrose, 3rd Earl of Rosebery
her father → Mary Primrose (Campbell)
his mother → Hon. John Campbell of Mamore, MP for Dunbartonshire
her father → Archibald Campbell, 9th Earl of Argyll
his father → Archibald Campbell, 1st Marquess of Argyll
his father → Agnes Douglas, Countess of Argyll
his mother → Agnes Leslie, Countess of Morton
her mother → Lady Margaret Crichton
her mother → Margaret Stewart
her mother → James II, king of Scots
her father → Joan Beaufort, Queen of Scots
his mother → John Beaufort, 1st Earl of Somerset
her father → John of Gaunt, 1st Duke of Lancaster, 1st Earl of Richmond
his father → Edward III, king of England
his father

11/16/2021 at 4:07 AM

Common ancestor Mary Ursula Baring through marriage

11/16/2021 at 4:24 AM

yes to grandfather Edward 3rd... NO to Joe.... yes to Jill .... so not bad

11/16/2021 at 4:25 AM

oopppsss and yes to Elizabeth

11/16/2021 at 1:15 PM

I added the marriage record to Elizabeth (Wingfield) Hall / Harrison to Richard Harrison. This is Joe Biden's 7th great-grandmother...

Elizabeth Hall

I can't add Richard Harrison as a husband to her, the fields are locked. This would be the Richard Harrison that she married in 1695...

Richard Harrison, of Charles County

11/17/2021 at 3:13 AM

No simple path to Joe Biden. The path is through my late ex step-father.

11/17/2021 at 11:01 AM

Thank you to Marsha Gail Veazey for connectingElizabeth Hall to Richard Harrison, of Charles County as her second husband.

11/17/2021 at 11:06 AM

I am hoping, now that we know Elizabeth (Wingfield) Hall / Harrison was a Harrison when she died (probably... unless we can find another marriage after Richard Harrison for her).

Private User
11/17/2021 at 11:19 AM

Tamás Flinn Caldwell-Gilbert may want to weigh in, since he's done yeoman's work on Biden's trees and knows the sources extremely well.

11/17/2021 at 11:28 AM

Richard Hall, or Halls as the name appears in the Testimony, was the fourth signer. He was a son of John Hall who came into Maryland in 164044 and later settled at Herring Creek. John Hall was granted "Marshs Seat" which had originally been surveyed in 165045 for Thomas Marsh, a Puritan leadear. He was the founder of the first Hall family in that part of Maryland. In 1759 "Marshs Seat" was the birthplace of the Reverend Mason Locke ("Parson") Weems, the first biographer of George Washington. The family of John Hall should not be confused with the later family founded by Reverend Henry Hall, identified with St. James Protestant Episcopal Church of Herring Creek. At his death in 1688, Richard Hall left approximately 2,500 acres of land to his wife and eight children.46

11/17/2021 at 11:33 AM

... Richard Hall ... patented a large tract of land called "Mount Welcome" on the east side of the Susquehanna river, about a mile above the mouth of the Octoraro in 1640. He is believed to have been a son of Bishop Joseph Hall, of England. ...

Showing 1-30 of 34 posts

Create a free account or login to participate in this discussion