George Ross - George Ross in Sweden

Yes, I send the link and some others to Erik, that is the link I added at february in this discussion https://www.geni.com/discussions/207475?msg=1511645&page=2, but afterwards that discussion was more about American Ross line, so yei, this is good to have separate one.

I started adding some names to the tree. Hope we can find some duplicates in some where, if not, quite easy to find sources but needs work.

There were brothers William and George. George Ross is their father. William and his first descendants lived Finland and they are all found (There were only "one" Scottish Ross-family in Finland, we still have only
5 000 000 people at our whole country :) ).

George Ross lived in Sweden - that family needs to get written here from: https://www.st-andrews.ac.uk/history/ssne/item.php?id=784&id2=784

(Finland was part of Sweden at those years, so the trade was continuous and supplies, silk, fabrics, tar, changed places on the west coast of Finland to Sweden daily.)

"Some genealogists have connected William Ross of Vasa, Finland to George Ross of
Haddington, Lauder in Scotland. The authors have been in correspondence with Bertil
Rostedt, who claims descendance from William Ross of Vasa. Rostedt has a letter dated
1817 written by an ancestor seeking ennoblement for the Ross family in Finland. This letter
specifies that William Ross had a brother, George, who was established in Stockholm and
with whom William engaged in trade during the 1630s."

Source: https://www.ssns.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/Palm_Undin_2012_...

From the same source as above: "Ross moved from Stockholm to Sigtuna in the 1660s. There is one surviving letter from Ross to Queen Christina (undated) which is marked with the word ‘bankruptcy’, indicating that his Stockholm existence had perhaps come to a premature end. Further, a letter he wrote to Chancellor Magnus Gabriel de la Gardie in 1669 provides evidence that Ross owed his new position as customs officer to the Chancellor’s influence."

This "surviving letter" somewhere archived perhaps?

I hope you whe knows more about DNA in geneology find this site useful: https://www.rosssurnameproject.net/charts/ross-mrca-chart-reorganiz...

I have today added several (perhaps all the rest) siblings to Agnetha Ross, added by "S" yesterday - see Anna Ross

Absolutely it is the George Ross Erica asked about above (and tagged me in to get my reply). That is the one, and at Geni I am told: "George Ross is your 10th great grandfather".

Thank you so much Erik. https://riksarkivet.se/etusivu I think here might be something, there are still so much in Swedish archives that are not thoroughly researched nor necessarily exported to the Internet yet. Palm & Olin is good start.

About Sigtuna Scots with Military Connections: four Scottish officers serving in the Swedish army who can definitely be linked to Sigtuna. These men are: Alexander Craufurd (Crawford?),
Patrick Rutherford, James Seton and Humphrey Cunningham - I haven't still checked if they are in Geni, if not - there are plenty to start a project. It would be great to get our Swedesh families excited, now building those old trees is often dependent on Finnish projects.

I put this old blog also here, there are some mistakes, but good inspiration and from the same "three lions" family. https://blog.zaramis.se/2012/08/15/ross-i-norrkoping-och-goteborg/

Johan Ross

Joskus myös näitä Suomesta Ruotsissa töissä kävässeitä voisi tutkailla, missä asuneet (sukulaisten hoteissa usein tuohon aikaan tyypillisesti), vaikka kuoli suhteellisen nuorena kuitenkin ehti toimia Västmanlandin ja Taalainmaan laamanninoikeuden notaarina 1696. Myös kanslisti suuressa lakikomissiossa Tukholmassa 1698.

https://www.st-andrews.ac.uk/history/ssne/item.php?id=7304

I do not have doubt for William and George being brothers. BUT were their fathers name also George?

it says above that father was in debt in Sweden, but so was son George, many times, but they were business men - is it anyway possible that they are talking about the brother George, not the father?

What is the source that the father had debt "William's father was George Ross who came from Kindeis in Scotland and who was in debt in Sweden in 1617" And what is the source for fathers name? and year 1617, I assume there is source for specific year, son George was too young at that time.

Decades there were typewriter texts and copies at my household where was this "father called Hugh" and it does not let me be. This is just speculation though. Maybe Hugh is grand father.

https://gamlagoteborg.se/2014/04/10/brittiska-handelshus-och-handel...

If you find with name Ross from that page, there are plenty of clues, can you help finding them in Geni, Plenty of People.

Gustaf Ross (1706-41) var en av de tidiga superkargörerna i ostindiska kompaniet. Han genomförde tre resor som superkargör, en på Fredericius Rex Sueciae 1735-36 och två ombord på Stockholm åren 1737-42. På den sista resan dog han i Kanton. Han syster Maria Elisabeth Ross (1703-38) var gift med Frans Bedoire. De var barn till skepparen Niklas Ross (-1705) i Norrköping.

I found them here (they are also gang of three lions, as I like to call them :) ) But many more needs to be added to Geni

Gustaf Ross

Finding living descendant from "three lion gang in Sweden" can help. In Finland we do not have direct Ross male descendant for William Ross, but we might have one in Sweden - for George. With direct Y-DNA testing and wide other testing from male and female descendants we can maybe get somewhere, if we just continue detective work.

https://gamlagoteborg.se/2014/04/10/brittiska-handelshus-och-handel...;

"I Göteborg fanns också en George Ross som bodde tillsammans med och gjorde affärer ihop med Hugh Ross och alltså sannolikt var bror eller son till Hugh Ross."

That link gets us here: http://www.gbgtomter.se/Rote_5/5.42.pdf but instead of 1700- they take us to "our" George/Jöran Ross who is fighting in the court

https://www.st-andrews.ac.uk/history/ssne/item.php?id=7191

So, now here are many sources that need more reading, and adding profiles to Geni. We have a good start here, thank you all, Saga

Remember the now erased "genealogy" telling about William Ross (b. 1598) and his father George, who's father's name was told to be "Hugh"? - That we could not proove, but, the name is interesting. Does these guys in Sweden add to our progress or lack of luck?

https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/B0002224_00851#?c=&m......

https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/B0002224_00852#?c=&m......

https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/B0002224_00847#?c=&m......

https://gamlagoteborg.se/2014/04/09/ross-i-norrkoping-och-goteborg/

https://tainmuseum.org.uk/article.php?id=53

In the text I just linked to, this: /.../" It is circumstantially very likely that the cause of the fateful duel on “Duel Hill” just east of Tain, between Hugh Ross of Shandwick and Hugh Ross of Achnacloich on 13 June 1721, was at least partly political since Shandwick fled almost immediately to Gothenburg in Sweden, the home of many Jacobite exiles. We also know other members of his family, including his younger brothers Alexander and George, and nephew Andrew McCulloch joined him there. He was the son of Hugh’s sister Isabella and Robert McCulloch a merchant in Tain."/.../

/.../"The traditions heard in boyhood have made us all very familiar with a sad event which took place early in last century. There is a sandhill in the Fendom with which is connected the tradition of a duel fought between two neighbouring proprietors–Ross of Shandwick and Ross of Achnaclaich, who are said to have quarrelled at the time of a market. Achnaclaich was killed, and Ross of Shandwick, escaping on horseback, expatriated himself in Sweden. Bloodshed, it would appear, was not so lightly thought of then by the judicial authorities as at the time of the previous homicide I have mentioned. The impression this event made on the popular mind is evidenced by the careful preservation and renewal, generation after generation, of the footprints of the combatants at the spot where they fought, and of the prints of the hoofs of the fugitive's horse on the moist ground as he galloped over what has ever since been known as "The Duel Hill." What man here does not remember the awe with which, as a boy, he looked on those deep-cut marks, while listening to the story of the duel and of the flight?"/.../

That last quote is from: https://electricscotland.com/history/tain/chapter2.htm