Alwyn, 1st Earl of Lennox - Sources?

Started by Sharon Doubell on Friday, August 20, 2021
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8/21/2021 at 6:47 AM

Sean you're suddenly adding lots of unsourced profiles to our Medieval tree. I'm requesting that you provide Primary Sources. This isn't messing with you: it's routine genealogical practice.

8/21/2021 at 9:40 AM

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8/21/2021 at 11:14 AM

Don't know what he's bilgeing about, but a couple of points:
1) Last name: Napier

SDB Popularity ranking: 1646

This famous and noble surname much associated with the British Empire, and with variant spellings Naper and Napper, is Anglo-Scottish, but of pre 10th century Olde French origins. Probably introduced into the British Isles at time of the Norman Conquest of 1066 or shortly thereafter, it derives from the word 'nappier', which literally means linen, but was used in an occupational sense as 'napperer' to describe the official at a royal court or a noble's castle, one who was in charge of the banquetting. Such positions were highly sought after, and often lead to the creation of noble families in their own right. An example being the Stewards of Scotland. They later became the royal family of Stuart who ruled Scotland and England for several centuries. The Scottish Napier family, who once held the earldom of Lennox, are descended from the hereditary naperers to the kings of Scotland in the 12th Century. There have been many distinguished bearers of the name. These include Sir Alexander Napier, the controller of the household of the Queen mother, 1449 - 1461, and who was also Scottish ambassador to England, 1451 - 1461. John Napier, (1550 - 1617), was the inventor of logarithms, and General Sir Charles James Napier, was the general of cavalry under the Duke of Wellington in the Napoleonic Wars (1792 - 1815). The first recorded spelling of the family name is shown to be that of Peter Napier. This was dated 1148, in the Winton Rolls of Hampshire, during the reign of King Stephen of England, 1135 - 1154.
https://www.surnamedb.com/Surname/Napier

2) As we should know by now, "Eth" was very often an Englishization of "Aed". (See O Corrain & Maguire, "Irish Names", for "Aed" and variants, also for the peculiar transformation Aed > Hugh.)

3) If *anyone* is "to blame" for introducing Y-DNA E haplotypes into the British Isles, it's probably the Romans. They drew their Legionnaires from everywhere across the Empire, and moved them everywhere across the Empire without regard for place of origin.

8/21/2021 at 11:52 AM

We do seem to have a Napier line - just not one with sourced links to Alwyn.

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8/21/2021 at 2:41 PM

Whatever. Last I heard, the Neanderthals were still only close cousins to "Anatomically Modern Humans" - close enough to, sometimes, interbreed with them (but not in Africa; Neanderthal seems to have been a post-Africa development).

We've also got these mysterious "Denisovans", about which little is known except that they too managed to get their genes into the current stock, mainly (but not exclusively) in Asia, and occasionally overlapping with Neanderthal (as some persons tested had traces of *both*).

All of which is essentially irrelevant to the question of the Lennox line. (I would advise against using a privately printed 19th century genealogy as a source - far too many of them were puff pieces intended to aggrandize various families' ancestry, and range from pipe dreams to deliberate fraud. Beware any text, of any age, that provides no citations, no footnotes, and no sources.)

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8/21/2021 at 3:08 PM

I think the point, at the moment, seems to be that "Donald Ethus le Nae Peer" is a 19th(?) century invention. If there's anything at all to the story, it may be that the Scottish king (William the Lion?) was punning on somebody's *occupation* (his "naperer" had "nae peer"). But on the whole it seems to be another case comparable to Walter Fitzalan le Steward, whose decendants became known as "Stewarts" and then "Stuarts".

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8/21/2021 at 3:46 PM

Sorry, the Fitzalans are very solidly documented, with a lot of help from J. Horace Round, the father of modern British genealogy.

If you are too upset by the research on Geni, you can always close your account and forget about it.

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8/21/2021 at 6:19 PM

This is tiresome. You're in a fair way to wind up just talking to yourself. Hope you enjoy teh company.

8/21/2021 at 6:34 PM

Unknown Profile your personal insults against Geni contributors are ridiculous and could be counted as cruel if someone wanted to give you a thought. This statement "At least I have descendants Mavis, Will you even be remembered?" is a personal insult to any of us who do dilligent work on here and who HAVE NO DESCENDANTS. We have FAMILY AND THAT IS WHY WE DO IT. Descendants have nothing to do with it.

8/21/2021 at 8:27 PM

So let’s consider this discussion closed and move on. My eyeballs are scorched. :)

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8/21/2021 at 10:13 PM

Erica, Not your Brain?

8/21/2021 at 10:27 PM

Requests for primary sources are not leftist conspiracy theories: they're routine genealogy, and the level of nastiness spewing here as a result suggests you are not really suited to collaborating on a world tree.

8/23/2021 at 9:36 PM

Alwyn, 1st Earl of Lennox is your 26th great grandfather.

You

Judy Carol Cain
your mother

Jesse Jewell Lee
her father

Mattie Mizilla Lee
his mother

Ervin Forrester
her father

Winney Forrester
his mother

James Reeves
her father

Jordan Reeves, Sr.
his father

Rev. George W. Reeves
his father

Hannah Rives
his mother

John Bishop
her father

John Bishop
his father

John Bishop of Swan's Bay
his father

Elizabeth Ramsay
his mother

Sir James Ramsay of Cockpen
her father

George Ramsay of Dalhousie
his father

Nicholas Ramsay of Dalhousie
his father

Alexander Ramsay of Dalhousie
his father

Elizabeth Ramsey
his mother

Isabel Sibbald of Balgony
her mother

Joan Livingstone
her mother

Sir Alexander Livingston of Callendar
her father

Sir John Livingston of Callendar
his father

Christian de Callendar
his mother

Sir Patrick de Callendar
her father

Alwin, Thane of Callendar
his father

Eva de Levenax, Countess of Killsyth
his mother

Alwyn "The Younger" de Levenax, 2nd Earl of Lennox
her father

Alwyn, 1st Earl of Lennox
his father

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