Margaret Waters (Robins Aka Clark) - Names, Merges, Etc.

Started by Debbie Gambrell on Thursday, July 1, 2021
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7/1/2021 at 10:05 AM

Several things. These are direct ancestors for me but all the dots don't connect on Geni at this point, so I was going to work on that and noticed a few things:

1) These are duplicates I'm unable to merge:

Margaret Waters

Margaret Waters

2) The last name is Robins / Robbins. It's well-documented on https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Robins-56 and other sites

3) The name Clarke is NOT part of her father Obedience's name or that of this Margaret's name other than the fact that she was married to a Clarke before she married William Waters. So her father's name was not Obedience Clarke Robins, as one tree shows, and her correct name would be Margaret (Robins) Clarke / Waters.

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Robins-56 - and according to the info on Wiki, her 2nd husband William Waters was her step-brother.

Margaret (Robins) Waters' Find-a-Grave page doesn't mention a first marriage to the Clarke husband. Only her Wiki page mentions him and says that is 'tradition', that there is no documentation.

One tree has her mother as Margaret Parker whereas most sites state her maiden name was unknown. If someone has sources for the maiden name Parker, please share that info her About section.

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Unknown-415660

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/134590592/margaret-waters

I'm not a manager on any of the three profiles for her and am unable to merge the two listed, so I'm hoping someone can fix the names, add the notes, and do the merges and then I continue working on down from her daughter Susannah (Waters) Terrell that my branch is from to get my line connected.

Thanks in advance for any assistance.

7/1/2021 at 10:50 AM

Tagging Susannah Terrell Col. Obedience Robins (Geni MP for many years).

7/1/2021 at 10:53 AM

Private User - can you take a peek to make sure I merged correctly ? Debbie, Maven is an expert in this area. She highly recommends The Mikes Files as resource, here is their Obedience Robins tree.

http://espl-genealogy.org/milesfiles/site/p254.htm#i25357

7/1/2021 at 10:55 AM
7/1/2021 at 11:02 AM

Here’s the other Susannah Terrell

7/1/2021 at 11:25 AM

Erica - I had to laugh at myself. I saw the one Susannah (Waters) Terrell and wasn't a manager on it. I AM on the you posted. :)

This one connects as my 8th ggm:

Susannah Terrell

And this one shows me as a cousin:

Susannah Terrell

Once they're merged, my branch 'should' be correct.

7/1/2021 at 11:29 AM

Debbie - let’s wait for Maven’s feedback. From what I understand so far, placing her in this Robins family is still speculative.

7/1/2021 at 11:53 AM

Actually - Maven discredited the wikitree listings in this March 2021 discussion.

https://www.geni.com/discussions/227629?msg=1458083

Important points:

  • 1) Margaret widow Clarke is NOT proven to be a daughter of Col. Obedience Robins by any marriage - it is not even certain that he *had* a first marriage.
  • 2) There is absolutely zero evidence that William Waters and Margaret Clarke had any children at all.
  • Priscilla (Waters) Denwood, alleged to have married Levin Denwood II (he did marry a Priscilla but we don't know her birth name), Susannah (Waters) Terrell (another version of this phantom lady?) …

I’m cleaning up accordingly unless more evidence can be presented.

7/1/2021 at 12:04 PM

Wow! So, that brings up the question of who were the parents of Susannah (Waters) Terrell!

7/1/2021 at 12:18 PM

I know the answer.

We don’t know who her parents are and they are and we are not likely to know without more England research into Terrell family connections and a great deal of luck.

She doesn’t belong to the Edward Waters tree. I reed on another discussion you were on in March that she’s not likely to have originated in a London slum. Be that as it may, the London family seems unlikely.

7/1/2021 at 12:20 PM

I’m merging the two Margaret wives if Col. William Waters into one woman and noting her speculated origins by link in profile. In any event she had no known children.

7/1/2021 at 12:28 PM

I'm beginning to think the parentage of Susannah (Waters) Terrell are undocumented and should be disconnected as speculative until / unless documentation surfaces. What do you think?

7/1/2021 at 12:31 PM

Done.

7/1/2021 at 1:29 PM

Thanks, Erica.

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