Harmon Back, Jr - Not the son of Hermann Bach and Anna Margaretha Hausemann

Started by Cynthia Curtis, A183502, US7875087 on Tuesday, June 22, 2021
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John Back, of Madison County
John Back (Bach), Sr. MP
Gender: Male
Birth: circa 1738
Probably, Thüringen, Germany
Death: circa 1793 (46-63)
Madison County, Virginia, United States
Immediate Family:
Son of John Henry Back, of Culpeper County and Anna Maria Back (Hoffman)
Husband of Anna Margaretha Back (Hoffman)
Father of Susannah Floyd (Back); Anna Bach; Sarah Back; Frances Floyd (Back) and Elizabeth Embrey (Bach)
Brother of Joseph Back and Henry Back, of Madison County

DNA Markers: E1b1b1a3

Henry Back, of Madison County is the problem child

No, it’s his son who is.

John Back, of Breathitt County

John Henry Back, of Culpeper County should NOT have a Y connected

John Back, of Breathitt County is the one whose FAG was merged--- I want to say he was the NON E

"John came to southeastern Kentucky with his parents, in 1791. He married Catherine Robertson. John died of pneumonia, after running through a creek, chasing a mule."
I remember there is a problem with the story of coming with parents-- sounds like one of the wrong genealogies and they had a story about chasing a horse in the snow while wearing a kilt the wife gave him then coming home to die of pneumonia in front of the fire.
Should be in the Revisions

Cynthia, the Y DNA was submitted by a descendant of Isaac, son of John. So the JOHN needs to be moved over. Can you find the right family? I don’t see them.

The pedigree should be Harmon > Henry > John Back, Sr. > Isaac Back

https://www.familytreedna.com/public/Bach_to_Back?iframe=yresults Group A-Germany to Virginia to Eastern Kentucky E1b1b1a3 195252 HarmanSR>HenrySR>John>Isaac, Breathitt Co KY

"His parents were Joseph Back and Elizabeth Hoffmann-Maggard. (Elizabeth had been adopted by the Maggard family when she was a young girl.)"

The OTHER Elizabeth

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Henry Back, Sr. was disconnected from his parents John Henry Bach and Anna Maria Back (Hoffman) and siblings John Back (Bach), Sr. and Joseph Back by Cynthia Curtis (Hicks), A183502, US7875087, Tree builder.
3 hours ago

Him?

From https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Back-385

John Back was the son of Joseph Back and Elizabeth Hoffman-Maggard Back. There is absolutely no connection at all between John Back, or his father Joseph Back, to Harman Back of Freudenberg, Germany. This Back (Bach) family originated from Thuringia, Germany. …

While John was in southwestern Virginia, he met and married Catherine Robertson, in 1795. She lived with her family, on the east side of the Clinch River, just south of where Johann Wilhelm Back's farm was, in what is now Hawkins County, Tennessee. She had bright red hair. Many of her and John's children also had the same bright red hair.


OK, it’s making more sense. But the Y DNA spreadsheet submitted pedigree is wrong - and it looks like there are two different E Bach families.

You got it, I think

re: Henry Back, Sr. was disconnected from his parents John Henry Bach and Anna Maria Back (Hoffman) and siblings John Back (Bach), Sr. and Joseph Back by Cynthia Curtis (Hicks), A183502, US7875087, Tree builder.

Is there a reason to disbelieve the Wikitree notes?

Could be since several cousins and siblings made the trip in addition to the group of 53 from Thuringin

Sorry, I’m not understanding the question at https://www.geni.com/discussions/233007?msg=1579075

I’m focusing on fixing John.

Erica Howton no. They are a rehash and the two Wikitree-ers did a cut/paste.
I have been sorting. You will see I removed the parents for that one at Wikitree but did not touch the bio because I could not speak to the Thüringen folks that claim the musician line and today I worked on THAT "musician" line after the Y Discussion

Tell me again what you need

They turned Hermann into John Henry at Wikitree. It is not relaibale.

Pearl William Back is the last public profile on that E1b1b1a3

PM'd you

Somewhere there is a statement that three brothers signed a loyalty oath--- I keep seeing the Y go wonky when all three brothers are under the same parents.
Let me see if I can find the link

https://services.dar.org/Public/DAR_Research/search_adb/?action=ful... Hermann Bach's DAR--- the "son" Joseph we now know is his grandson.
The DAR children for him included John and Henry but we know now those are NOT his children.

https://services.dar.org/Public/DAR_Research/search_adb/?action=ful... Henry
"COMMENTS(Overview)

Created: 2022-03-23 08:21:02.303, Updated: 2022-03-23 08:21:02.303, By: 1) EL- HENRY IS NOT THE FATHER OF THE JOHN WHO MARRIED CATHERINE ROBERTSON OR HENRY
Created: 2022-03-23 08:21:02.313, Updated: 2022-03-23 08:21:02.313, By: 2) WHO MARRIED SUSANNA MAGGARD. SEE DATACF FOR DISCUSSION OF LINEAGE. 3/2022."

Him
I still think is the one in the Y line: Henry Back, of Madison County

Catherine Back is seen as daughter of Benjamin Robertson & Celia Robertson Also seen as daughter of John Robertson and Margaret King.

Re: I still think is the one in the Y line: Henry Back, of Madison County

I don’t follow. The Thuringia > Culpeper line can very well “also” be E.

Look at the ancestor report for John Henry Back of Culpeper

https://www.geni.com/list/ancestors/6000000158571535830#5

Geni does not show him as descended from Harmon.

Yes. It’s still memorial wars. But one is well sourced and described, the other is simply a nice picture.

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