Maria Botha (Kickers), SM/PROG - Smart match made by Charlotte Louise Hoppe

Started by Delia Robertson on Sunday, June 20, 2021
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6/20/2021 at 3:10 AM

Charlotte approved a smart match to a My Heritage profile which shows the following family for Maria Kickers:
Parents: Jan Corneliusz Kickers, Jan Corneliusz Kickers
Siblings: Annetge Kick, Sijmon Kick,
Kick, Balthazar Kick, Johannes Kick, Ermpje Kick, Grietge Kick, Daniel Kick, Willem Cornelisz Kick, Margrieta Kick, Geertruij Kick, <Private> Kick

I do not do My Heritage. Is anyone able to check that profile and see on what evidence the match was made and if evidence such as baptism and marriage records is provided.

Thanks
Delia

J P Weyers
6/20/2021 at 7:41 AM

Have searched for those parents , siblings and Cornelis Kick + Cornelia Spaeroogh .
So far no sources for those as well.
MyHeritage often just copied exactly form GENI and too often no reliable valid source.
Use MyHeritage as a guide of possible relatives and dates rather .

6/20/2021 at 10:41 AM

I may just be a bit late to the party here, Delia and Phillipp - but I don't see this?
Also, it shouldn't be able to happen because I've got the relationships on Maria locked up tightly.

Obviously something did happen if you guys can see it - but I'm just alerting you to the fact that I can't - so I'm waiting for you to let me know how I can help.

J P Weyers
6/20/2021 at 10:46 AM

Not on GeNI but in smart maches on profile

J P Weyers
6/20/2021 at 10:51 AM

Hein Venter on MyHeritage smartmarch 57 possible top of list .
Venter family website on MyHeritage

6/20/2021 at 10:56 AM

The green block? Ignore those.

J P Weyers
6/20/2021 at 11:17 AM

So you also think no value in those claimed Parents and siblings as on MyHeritage?

6/20/2021 at 11:13 PM

Sorry - I understand better now. You want someone to check the MH profile for sources?

6/20/2021 at 11:16 PM

I would if I knew which one of the 62 it is.

J P Weyers
6/20/2021 at 11:20 PM

I see the first of 57 on the top Venter is similar.
Searched for those but no luck and no reply to message asking what is source of parents and siblings

J P Weyers
6/21/2021 at 12:49 AM

Appel Botha Cornelitz : the abc of a three hundred year old divorce case

https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/Appel-Botha-Cornelitz-%3A-the...

Good link .
Related to Maria Kickers my grt grandmother 3 times .

6/21/2021 at 12:59 AM

Yes, I saw this too. Drives me nuts when people just smart match between the various platforms.

J P Weyers
6/21/2021 at 1:11 AM

---but we all guilty of it in a rush and do not confirm all the details first .

6/21/2021 at 2:24 AM

Hi sorry not a clue how that happened.

I do have a My Heritage tree but none of those names appear on my tree. Mine has NO parents or siblings.

Cannot understand how I would have approved a smart match on that basis??

6/21/2021 at 3:21 AM

Well, as Delia was pointing out - it would be quite a huge step if we found docs to support that info. (Ever hopeful :-))

6/21/2021 at 3:57 AM

Just found the so-called smart match. There is no match from my side of things. I rejected the match as I have no matching parents or siblings.

6/21/2021 at 4:29 AM

So all irrelevant? Sorry, Charlette.

6/22/2021 at 1:11 AM

All of that said, I think it is a family worth taking a closer look at because of the dates used. I just wish I knew what the sources were that the individual used.

6/22/2021 at 1:21 AM

This is what I can see for the purported mother:https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/GQ96-9MT

Name • •
Cornelia Spaeroogh
Sex • •
Female
Birth • •
about 1634
Amsterdam, North Holland, Netherlands
Christening • •
17 Sep 1634
Amsterdam, North Holland, Netherlands
Death • •
after 1676
Amsterdam, North Holland, Netherlands
Burial

Other Information
Alternate Name •
Birth Name
Cornelia Spaerooch
Custom Event •
Baptism
17 Sep 1634
Amsterdam, Noord-Holland, Netherlands

Family Members
Spouses and Children

Show AllSpouses and Children

Add Spouseto Cornelia Spaeroogh

Cornelis Kick
1634–1681 • LRBS-SNY​​
Marriage: 1 June 1661
Nederlands Hervormde Kerk, Amsterdam, Noord-Holland, Netherlands

Cornelia Spaeroogh
1634–1676 • GQ96-9MT​​

Childrenof Cornelia Spaeroogh and Cornelis Kick (13)

Maria Kickers
1655–1723 • GQML-Q2B​​

Annetge Kick
1663–Deceased • GQKQ-B25​​

Sijmon Kick
1663–Deceased • 9VK9-HS1​​

Hendrickge Kick
1665–Deceased • GQK7-7JT​​

Harmanus Kick
1665–Deceased • 9VK3-38S​​

Balthazar Kick
1667–Deceased • GQK7-MR6​​

Johannes Kick
1667–Deceased • GQK7-7V7​​

Ermpje Kick
1667–Deceased • GMN2-9VK​​

Grietge Kick
1669–Deceased • GQK7-7J1​​

Daniel Kick
1671–1679 • GMN2-33S​​

Willem Cornelisz Kick
1673–Deceased • GQK7-9YD​​

Margrieta Kick
1674–Deceased • GMN2-877​​

Geertruij Kick
1676–Deceased • 9VZW-YTY

6/22/2021 at 1:23 AM

and

Parents and Siblings

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Add Parentto Cornelia Spaeroogh
Harmen Claesz Spaerooch
–1676 • GQRN-PCK​​
No Marriage Events

Maria Boudewijns
1619–1660 • GQRN-1Q8​​

Childrenof Maria Boudewijns and Harmen Claesz Spaerooch (10)
Maria Spaerooch
1631–Deceased • GWXF-XKF​​

Baltaser Spaarooch
1633–Deceased • GQ3V-RJW​​

Cornelia Spaeroogh
1634–1676 • GQ96-9MT​​

Neeltje Spaerooch
1636–Deceased • 9N1J-TTF​​

Catrijna Spaerooch
1638–Deceased • 9N13-G91​​

Baltaser Spaerooch
1640–Deceased • GWXF-7X2​​

Joannes Spaerooch
1641–Deceased • GQX9-G8L​​

Baltaser Spaerooch
1643–Deceased • GQ3V-V8W​​

Geertruijt Spaerooch
1645–Deceased • 9N1C-42C​​

Gerhuerdus Spaerooch
1647–Deceased • GWXF-NW5

6/22/2021 at 1:24 AM

For purported father:https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/LRBS-SNY

Male
Cornelis Kick
12 March 1634 – 18 June 1681 • LRBS-SNY​​
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Cornelis Kick
1634–1681 • LRBS-SNY​​
Details
Time Line
Sources 23
Collaborate 3
Memories 1

Life Sketch

ARTIST:
Kick was trained by his father, then painter Simon Kick, who painted prestigious schuttersstukken. Cornelis Kick is recorded as a painter from 1650[2] and specialized in flower still lifes, in then manner of his teacher Jan Davidsz de Heem.[2] He married Cornelia Spaeroogh on 5 May 1661, and married a second time with Maghteltje Dirkx of Leiden on 16 December 1674.[2] His pupils were Elias van den Broeck (from August 1665) and Jacob van Walscapelle.[2]

According to Houbraken, Kick married the daughter of the pawnbroker Spaaroog of the Bank van Lening, whose father had a garden outside the St Anthony's gate of Amsterdam.[3] It was here that he painted flowers from nature with his student Jakob van Walskapel, until the expansion of the city in 1657-1663 claimed the land the garden was on and so forced him to move his garden further eastwards to the new polder called Diemermeer.[3] When Kick got it into his head to move to Loenen in 1667 however, Walskapel left his service and moved back to Amsterdam, where he took up another profession and was still living at the time Houbraken was writing (he was probably Houbraken's source).[3]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cornelis_Kick

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Name • •
Cornelis Kick
Sex • •
Male
Birth • •
12 March 1634
Amsterdam, North Holland, Netherlands
Christening
Death • •
18 June 1681
Amsterdam, North Holland, Netherlands
Burial

Other Information
Alternate Name •
Also Known As
Jan Corneliusz Kiekers
Custom Event •
Baptism
12 Mar 1634
Amsterdam, Noord-Holland, Netherlands
Residence •
Amsterdam, Amsterdam

Family Members
Spouses and Children

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Cornelis Kick
1634–1681 • LRBS-SNY​​
Marriage: 1 June 1661
Nederlands Hervormde Kerk, Amsterdam, Noord-Holland, Netherlands

Cornelia Spaeroogh
1634–1676 • GQ96-9MT​​

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Childrenof Cornelia Spaeroogh and Cornelis Kick (13)

Maria Kickers
1655–1723 • GQML-Q2B​​

Annetge Kick
1663–Deceased • GQKQ-B25​​

Sijmon Kick
1663–Deceased • 9VK9-HS1​​

Hendrickge Kick
1665–Deceased • GQK7-7JT​​

Harmanus Kick
1665–Deceased • 9VK3-38S​​

Balthazar Kick
1667–Deceased • GQK7-MR6​​

Johannes Kick
1667–Deceased • GQK7-7V7​​

Ermpje Kick
1667–Deceased • GMN2-9VK​​

Grietge Kick
1669–Deceased • GQK7-7J1​​

Daniel Kick
1671–1679 • GMN2-33S​​

Willem Cornelisz Kick
1673–Deceased • GQK7-9YD​​

Margrieta Kick
1674–Deceased • GMN2-877​​

Geertruij Kick
1676–Deceased • 9VZW-YTY​​

Add Childto Cornelis Kick and Cornelia Spaeroogh

Cornelis Kick
1634–1681 • LRBS-SNY​​
Marriage: 21 December 1674
Amsterdam, North Holland, Netherlands

Machteltje Dircks de Rechte
–1679 • GQKQ-BWV

6/22/2021 at 1:25 AM

and

Parents and Siblings

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Add Parentto Cornelis Kick
Simon Kick
1603–1652 • GQ3T-3YX​​
Marriage: 1631
Amsterdam, North Holland, Netherlands

Stintje Cornelis Duyster
1605–1664 • GWQJ-315​​

Childrenof Stintje Cornelis Duyster and Simon Kick (7)

Cornelis Kick
1634–1681 • LRBS-SNY​​

Willem Kick
1636–Deceased • G48R-6M5​​

Anneken Kick
1638–Deceased • G48R-WNR​​

Heindrikje Kick
1642–Deceased • G48R-ZYM​​

Johannis Kick
1644–Deceased • G48R-F5J​​

Crisstina Kick
1647–Deceased • G48R-NR6​​

Catarijne
1649–Deceased • G48R-2J1

J P Weyers
6/22/2021 at 2:05 AM

See baptism 14 June 1662 allready added long ago

J P Weyers
6/22/2021 at 2:46 AM

Maria Kick married in Delft 1690

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QL9X-LFPH

All her siblings Kick yet only in South Africa Maria Kick became Kickers ? -- tread careful her .
Who added the baptism document as date of birth 14 June 1662 ?

J P Weyers
6/22/2021 at 2:48 AM

2/3/2021 at 23:05
Anna Susanna (Annetjie) Walbrugh (Coetzee)

Changed d.o.b to 14 June 1662

6/22/2021 at 3:01 AM

I can't read the baptism doc - can you verify that you see her name there?

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