Lambert II 'the Belted', Count of Leuven and Brussels - Nickname

Started by Elliot.V.Kelsey on Wednesday, June 2, 2021
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6/2/2021 at 4:57 PM

Why was he called "The Belted" and why was his son called "The Belt"?

6/4/2021 at 6:01 PM

I just know he is My 27th GGF

6/5/2021 at 6:13 AM

It seems like that epitheton could be from a later date, based on a German 17th century image, which was later translated in French and English. There is a ‘shine’ of non-authenticity about this. Anyone?

9/25/2021 at 5:38 AM

Lambert II "the Belted", Count of Leuven and Brussels
is my 26 th great grandfather

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9/25/2021 at 6:25 AM

Turns out, "belted earl" or "belted" is standard feudal terminology. Examples: "a belted earl"; "a belted knight".

Definition: An earl whose title goes back to the period prior to the 18th century when a sword and belt received from the monarch were tokens of that title.

Or: A man who has been knighted and received a belt and sword as the tokens of his knighthood.

The term was also used for knights, and probably could apply to any noble who took up arms.'

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/belted_earl

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/belted_knight#English

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9/25/2021 at 6:27 AM

"By Edward III’s day, a knight needed to have income of at least £40, and knights needed to actively claim their status – hence the term ‘belted knight’, a man who had claimed their rights."

https://thehistoryofengland.co.uk/resource/glossary-of-medieval-terms/

10/17/2021 at 1:02 PM

Thanks, I was kinda confused because a part of me was just thinking that he got in a lot of trouble as a kid.

7/4/2023 at 4:19 PM

Do both he and his son Henry [II] have the epithet "The Belted"?

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7/4/2023 at 4:53 PM

Probably, since ceinture is French for belted.

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7/4/2023 at 4:57 PM

>Why was he called "The Belted" and why was his son called "The Belt"?

I should have said "le ceinture" not just ceinture, means the belted one or something to that effect.

Because the French language does not follow the same grammar rules as English, and relies on context at times, such as in this case.

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7/5/2023 at 4:29 AM

Interesting, Private User , thank you.

7/6/2023 at 2:41 AM

Perhaps he was named in English ' the Belted' because of his name 'Balderik'?, -around the 17th century, when the history of the dukes of Brabant was officialized. But thy still could have been totally wrong then, the problem is not completely settled.

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