Estienne Bruére, SV/PROG - Parents?

I seem to recall laboriously working this out....

LE ROUX, FOUCHER, BRUERE CONNECTION
On 31 Dec 1687 Jean & Gabriel le Roux, Philippe Foucher & Anne Souchay, with Estienne Bruere embarked together on the VOC ship Voorschoten to settle at the Cape of Good Hope. The le Roux brothers & Philippe Foucher were 2nd cousins. Philippe Foucher & Estienne Bruere were second cousins. Anne Souchay was the sister of the le Roux brother's sister in law. They all became progenitors of SA lines.

a Jacques Lenoir & Anne Malvault

b1 Claudine Lenoir

x Jean Bourdon, merchant currier of Mer

Anne Bourdon (c1636 - Feb 1693)

x 24 Feb 1658 Pierre le Roux, baliff (b 1 Sep 1623 - 19 Mar 1682)

Pierre le Roux c 1662 x 22 Oct 1686 Elizabeth Souchay (sister of Anne Souchay, who marries Philippe Fouchay)

Jean (c1666 - 1711 Cape of Good Hope)

Gabriel (1669 - 1711 Cape of Good Hope)

b2 Elizabeth Lenoir

x 24 April 1617 Servais Foucher

Bernard Foucher

x Anne Bruere (do Philippe Bruere x 28 April 1619 Anne Belleton) (sister of Estienne Bruere x Suzanne Hillaire - parents of Estienne Bruere)

Philippe Foucher x Anne Souchay

https://sites.google.com/site/lerouxfamiliebond/stamouers/the-le-ro...
http://www.e-family.co.za/ffy/g7/p7510.htm

cf Estienne Bruère

Estienne Bruère

Suzanne Hillaire

So the parents are Estienne Bruere x Suzanne Hillaire

Kym Misty Freeman why do you think the father is Estienne Bruère?

Not saying I can't ever be wrong - just useful if you have sources to track and discuss.

Right now David (Dawid) Bruere had Estienne Bruére between the ages of 64 and 65 years old.Also not impossible.

Does Misty have a valid source that she base her claim on ?

She may well do, Phillipp - don't make her feel like we're putting her on trial :-) It's an ongoing research conversation we're having here and we want her input . :-)

https://sites.google.com/site/lerouxfamiliebond/stamouers/the-le-ro...

https://www.wikitree.com/genealogy/Bru%C3%A9re-Descendants-22

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https://www.wikitree.com/genealogy/Bru%C3%A9re-Descendants-22

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Kym Misty Freeman
Today at 11:56 AM

I have posted on the existing tread https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Bru%C3%A9re-6 this is one of the sources I got my information from. Here is another, the first entry https://www.myheritage.com/names/estienne_bruere

This is one of the sources that i used https://www.wikitree.com/genealogy/Bru%C3%A9re-Descendants-22

disregard the MyHeritage record .

Can not find the source the Wiki profile gets parent as Dawid Bruere from .

Is it possible there were 2 Estienne's father and son? With David being Grandfather? Cause this shows two Estienne's one born in about 1639 and a son born in about 1665 http://hanekom.org/tng/descend.php?personID=I750&tree=Tree3

Kym/Misty --- Think you onto something !
Let others here also look see and see what they think or find .

https://www.pretoriusfamilie.info/searcher/search.php

Kim the Hanekom site is a family chart done by an individual, but I don't see sources. I would love to let as crack this though.

Thank you for trying so hard.

Johann Hanekom is a very thorough researcher. I do believe he has done his research. I have a Hanekom CD that I bought from GSSA but there the sources, i.e. Death Notice like TAB with the number and year.

Judi

Kinm yes on the family tree of Hanekom there are a father and son.

Father | Male
Dawid BRUERE

Born Bef 1600
Died Yes, date unknown
Buried
Married
Father
Mother

Child 1 | Male
David BRUERE

Born Abt 1608 Mer Near Blois, France ( Orleans-Mer) Find all individuals with events at this location
Died Yes, date unknown
Buried
Spouse Pn NN | F346
Married 1638

When you look at the bottom of this family sheet, you will see all the sources.
http://hanekom.org/tng/getperson.php?personID=I750&tree=Tree3

The only one I don't know is HEYMAN. The rest is very reliable.

I will try and open the sources and see what they say.

Judi

I find this interesting -
André van Rensburg:Dit word algemeen aanvaar dat Estienne Bruere sonder enige familie op die Voorschooten uitgekom het. Verkeerd!Estienne het saam met sy susterskind Philippe Fouche vanaf die Loirevallei in Frankryk gevlug na die Nederlande en vandaar op 31/12/1687 uitgevaar op die Voorschooten na die Kaap de Goede Hoop (die Voorschooten het by Saldanha gestrand en die Hugenote is
vandaar per die Jupiter na Tafelbaai gebring).
see here: http://hanekom.org/tng/getperson.php?personID=I1474&tree=Tree3

Judi

Still no primary sources though. Other people's family trees are not that.

I've got to go back to my paying job now - so not going silent for any other reason.

Have a look at the research that went into this: https://sites.google.com/site/lerouxfamiliebond/stamouers/the-le-ro... and tell me what people think.

Sorry Judi - your posts weren't showing when I posted that.

So I can't share a screenshot here so i will add it to David Bruere's entry. Its a page from a PDF of a book called Cape Settlars, the section is From The Loire to the Channel. It is on the Unisa website as PDF to download. I can't share it as a link so i will just add the relevant page.

It looks look a huge study that was done, this is the full name French Speakers at the Cape in the First Hundred Years of Dutch East India Company Rule: The European Background by Maurice Boucher.

Sounds excellent. I def want to see it. You can upload a pdf to his profile.

Oh no - hang on - I've got the Boucher one. Use it a lot. Is David Bruere in that?

Yes he is, chapter 5 pages 113 onwards

Uploaded the pdf to his profile

Thank you all, dear Geni's - you are all way ahead of me! Appreciate!

Thanks Kym - will look this weekend :-)