ÁRPÁD(házi) Sophia - Origins

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The hungrian chronicle mentions a german knight Potho who came to the german court. It was said he hd to leave his country because he had previously supported the bavarians.

Could this Potho be a Poppo misspelled?

That’s interesting. Poppo’s origins are unknown.

Count Potho (Pothot, Poth, Poppo?) must have been a kind of commander-in-chief of the rebellious German armies. He is mentioned 7 times in het Hungarian chronicles, together with all kinds of people that definitely aren’t on Geni yet..

In the Hungarian tradition written at the end of the 19th century, there is a vague memory that Konrád - who was later confused with the emperor of the same name - came into contact with Endre through envoys and that his envoy was Count Potho, who fled his property to death after he married his widow. The credibility of the naively etymologizing tradition is enhanced by the fact that after the fall of Solomon, Potho IV returned to Germany. ..................................................................... Under the leadership of Counts Aribo and Potho, the gentlemen, who had been followers of Konrád before, secretly or openly agreed with Konrád and the Hungarians.
Henrik, after his victory over the rebels, judged the rebellious lords in the spring of 1055 in Regensburg. Aribo, whose family had held the office of the Bavarian Pfalzgraf since the fall of the offspring of the Hungarian-friendly Prince Arnulf, was deprived of this dignity and sentenced to loss of property together with his brother Poth. Count Gerold was punished the same. They all fled to Hungary............................................................... Aribo's offspring - the Győr or Poth clan - later settled and became a huge Hungarian family, but Potho returned to his homeland after the fall of King Solomon. These refugees established peace and alliance between Konrad and his now dissatisfied opponents with Bavarian conditions - Bishop Gebehard of Regensburg, Count Richwin, Prince Welf of Carinthia.................The Czech prince was left behind because the Poles had crossed its borders, but came the Austrian Earl Ernő, Bishop Eppo Zeitz, Count William Meissen with the army of the Bavarians, Saxons and Thuringians. They were joined by German followers of Endre - including Count Potho and the Royal Battalions. ...........The Hungarian army went under attack; he persecuted the fugitives harshly and captured the valiant Count Count William and Pothot, who fought like a lion, among Bishop Eppo. Most of their knights lost their freedom or life................. Uncle Vid, the son of Gut, who immigrated in Peter's time, is traditionally the evil spirit of Solomon, and his son-in-law, Elijah, fled from the Bavarian lands to Endre's court in 1060–1063. Palatine Potho, who played a major role in the battle of the year, and is later referred to as Otho, the son of Bogát, a son of Bogát, who came from the Czech Republic. Spaniard, Svatopluk, who looked like a relative to the Queen of the Mother, and Markvart, who controlled the German court Amy, Uncle Vid, the son of Gut, who immigrated in Peter's time, is traditionally the evil spirit of Solomon, and his son-in-law, Elijah, fled from the Bavarian lands to Endre's court in 1060–1063. Palatine Potho, who played a major role in the battle of the year, and is later referred to as Otho, the son of Bogát, a son of Bogát, who came from the Czech lands.

In the Hungarian tradition written at the end of the 19th century, there is a vague memory that Konrád - who was later confused with the emperor of the same name - came into contact with Endre through envoys and that his envoy was Count Potho, who fled his property to death after he married his widow. The credibility of the naively etymologizing tradition is enhanced by the fact that after the fall of Solomon, Potho IV returned to Germany. ..................................................................... Under the leadership of Counts Aribo and Potho, the gentlemen, who had been followers of Konrád before, secretly or openly agreed with Konrád and the Hungarians.
Henrik, after his victory over the rebels, judged the rebellious lords in the spring of 1055 in Regensburg. Aribo, whose family had held the office of the Bavarian Pfalzgraf since the fall of the offspring of the Hungarian-friendly Prince Arnulf, was deprived of this dignity and sentenced to loss of property together with his brother Poth. Count Gerold was punished the same. They all fled to Hungary............................................................... Aribo's offspring - the Győr or Poth clan - later settled and became a huge Hungarian family, but Potho returned to his homeland after the fall of King Solomon. These refugees established peace and alliance between Konrad and his now dissatisfied opponents with Bavarian conditions - Bishop Gebehard of Regensburg, Count Richwin, Prince Welf of Carinthia.................The Czech prince was left behind because the Poles had crossed its borders, but came the Austrian Earl Ernő, Bishop Eppo Zeitz, Count William Meissen with the army of the Bavarians, Saxons and Thuringians. They were joined by German followers of Endre - including Count Potho and the Royal Battalions. ...........The Hungarian army went under attack; he persecuted the fugitives harshly and captured the valiant Count Count William and Pothot, who fought like a lion, among Bishop Eppo. Most of their knights lost their freedom or life................. Uncle Vid, the son of Gut, who immigrated in Peter's time, is traditionally the evil spirit of Solomon, and his son-in-law, Elijah, fled from the Bavarian lands to Endre's court in 1060–1063. Palatine Potho, who played a major role in the battle of the year, and is later referred to as Otho, the son of Bogát, a son of Bogát, who came from the Czech lands.

I had not seen this before” Potho is later called ” Otho, the son of Bogát ”
Or is he called Otho or do they refer to another person?

I am looking for a version of the chronicles withthe vellum AND the original text.

Many times, what is written on the vellum is not the same as is interpreted as the latin text and it may again be interpreted differently in another language

Thank you!

Carl Gustav, from which source is your text above? Is it online?

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