John Denman of Retford, Esq. - Wath Upon Dearne??

Started by Private User on Friday, November 27, 2020
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Private User
11/27/2020 at 11:33 PM

I have a source for his land holdings and death location, but nothing for his birth location. How did we arrive at "Wath Upon Dearne" in South Yorkshire?

11/28/2020 at 12:09 AM

Presumably it comes from Newhall Grange being in Wath on Dearne parish (which is why Hunter shows the pedigree).

I looked at the 1379 Poll Tax, only the West Riding, but the only Denman I could find was Adam Denman and his wife who paid fourpence at Azerley in Kirkby Malzeard.

Private User
11/28/2020 at 3:53 AM

https://opendomesday.org/place/SK5091/newhall-grange/

Newhall Grange in Domesday map. It's significantly closer to Hellaby and Bramley, although I wouldn't care to guess. I just doubt that it was Wath upon Dearne.

...If there was one Denman on the Returns, there were likely a few more nearby.

https://books.google.com/books?id=m65DAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA341&dq=...

"DZERLAWE CUM GALHAGH' MIKLAY ET BRATHWAIT"

https://books.google.com/books?id=TbYHAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA234&dq=...

Private User
11/28/2020 at 4:06 AM

I think Hunter had other reasons for including the pedigree than that it had much to do with "Wath upon Dearne" specifically.

11/28/2020 at 9:32 AM

The Newhall Grange that the Denmans had was in Brampton Bierlow township, in Wath parish.

Nicholas Denman's will (1578) asks to be buried at Wath.

The manor didn't exist at the time of the Domesday Book. The house was probably built by Adam fitz Swain, who gave it to his monastery, Monk Bretton Priory. The Denmans acquired it after the dissolution. The area is called Newhill now.

He says the pedigree he gives was "prepared for us by the heralds". You can make what you like of that.

The Newhall in the Domesday Book was in Laughton-en-le-Morthen parish. It's still on the map, but Hunter says that as a manor it disappeared from view. After the monks were ousted, it was probably sold as part of a bundle and not recorded separately.

11/28/2020 at 10:53 AM

Wentworth Woodhouse was only 3 miles from Newhall Grange. Wentworth was also in Wath parish, although it had its own chapel.

Private User
11/28/2020 at 2:53 PM

Okay, you skipped a couple generations into the future, which is fine as long as everyone can keep up with you.

The next in line was Nicholas Denman, Esq., who married first Elizabeth Eyre/Ayre and secondly Anne Hercy (daughter of Humphrey Hercye), whose heir, Ralph (Elizabeth's son), likely predeceased him.

Returning to the topic of our profile under discussion here: as seen in his inquisition post mortem I linked above -- he was at time of death seized of what was then the manor of Northleverton. (some have stated rather persuasively that "Kirklington" is another way of spelling and pronouncing "Kirk Leverton", a reference to the church in Leverton: St. Martin's; others claim it might have meant an enclosure belonging to someone named "Cyrtla" -- the latter apparently pure conjecture).

The church, dating back to the 12th century, currently holds few burial records nor any register dating before the 18th century.

"The parish of North Leverton (with Habblesthorpe) lies in northeastern Nottinghamshire, indeed it forms part of the border with neighbouring Lincolnshire. North Leverton lies about 5 miles northeast of the market town of East Retford...In Domesday times the land was held either directly by the King or by the Archbishop of York; the land supported an unfeasibly high 63 ploughs and also boasted meadows, woodland, 2 fisheries and a mill making it a very wealthy place indeed."

http://www.tinstaafl.co.uk/eandwhmi/nottinghamshire/church%20pages/...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_Martin%27s_Church,_North_Leverton

Private User
11/28/2020 at 2:56 PM

An abstract of the will of his son and heir, Nicholas Denman (d. 1551) is here, for reference:

https://www.geni.com/profile/documents/4206954630350039965

Private User
11/28/2020 at 2:57 PM

Nicholas his son is buried at St. Swithun's in Retford.

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/136284411/nicholas-denman

Private User
11/28/2020 at 4:10 PM

According to Thoroton:

NORTH LEVERTON.
Legreton is certified to be a Berew of the Arch-bishop of Yorkes great Soc of Lanum, and no other mention can I find of it in Doomsday Book.

There was a Fine at Nott. the Saturday after the Feast of the Apostles Peter and Paul, 4 Joh. (ca.1203) between Gilbert de Everingham, Pet. and Robert de Everingham, Tenant of one Bovat of Land, with the Appurtenances in Leghirton, which Gilbert remised to the said Robert, and he for it gave the said Gilbert in Helpirthorp one Bovat, of which Land twelve Carucats made one Knights Fee. This Manor continued to the Family of Everingham, as in Laxton may be discerned.

Robert, son of Alexander, 31 H. 3 (ca.1247), called to warrant Adam de Everingham, concerning fourteen Acres of Land in North Leirton, which Simon, son of Alexander, claimed against him.

I don't find Gilbert or Peter on Geni, but Robert is here:

Sir Robert de Everingham

By a Fine, 2 E 2 (ca.1309) between Adam, son of Robert de Everingham, and Claricia his wife, Plaintiffs, and Thomas de Slaynton, Desorc. the Manor of Leverton, with the Appurtenances, was settled on the said Adam and Claricia, and the heirs of their bodies; remainder to the right heirs of Adam.

[This Adam Everingham was the Keeper of Sherwood Forest.]

Sir Adam de Everingham, Keeper of Sherwood Forest

Robert de Dyggeby, and Sibyll his wife, 2 E. 3 (ca,1328), levied a fine at York of the manor of Leyrton to Adam de Everingham of Laxton. By another fine at York, 11 and 12 E. 3 (ca.1337 and 1338) between Adam de Everingham, the elder, quer. and Nicolas de Scalton, parson of Laxton deforc. this manor was settled on the said Adam for life, and after his decease, the moyety, with the appurtenances towards the east, to Adam de Everingham, the younger, and the heirs males of his body; remainder to Robert his brother, and his; remainder to Edmund his brother, and his; remainder to Alexander his brother, and his; remainder to Nicolas his brother, and his; remainder to the right heirs of the said Adam de Everingham, the elder. The other moyety was likewise intailed much after the same manner.

George, son of Adam de Everingham, made a **deed of release** 28 May 7 H. 4 (ca.1406), to Robert de Waterton, son of **William Elys**, chr. and to the heirs of the said. Robert, son of William, and heir of William, son of Adam de Everingham, knight, concerning his whole right, &c. in the manor of North Leverton, and other lands; which manor **Robert de Elys** was to have for life, after the decease of Robert de Waterton, &c.

Sir Robert Waterton, Esq., of Methley

In a recovery, 9 H. 7 (ca.1494), Robert Moresby claimed against John Babington, knight, the manor of North Leverton, with the appurtenances, seventy-five mess. one thousand acres of land, (fn. 8) six hundred of meadow, eight hundred of pasture, forty of wood, 8l. rent, and rent of fifty cocks and one hundren hens, with the appurtenances in North Leverton, Cotes, Habilsthorp, Bole, and Bekingham.

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**William de Chadworth** chr. in the time of Edward the first (1239-1307), gave the manor of North Leverton to **Elen, the daughter of John de Bosevill,** and the heirs of her body; which Elen, 3 E. 3 (ca.1329), had a son and heir named **Thomas Shadworth.**

The manor of North Leverton was heretofore **William Willoughbyes;** and after **Katherins, the wife of John Eaton;** and after **Christopher Kendalls.** After the death of Christopher Kendall, esquire, 25 Oct. 3 Eliz. (ca.1561) who held the manor of North Leverton of the Arch-bishop of York of his manor of Scrowby, called the North Soke, by fealty, and 2s. per annum, Marmaduk Kendall his son and heir was found of the age of nineteen years and seven months. It was of late the inheritance of Peter Roos, and since of Thomas Broughton, esquire.

https://www.british-history.ac.uk/thoroton-notts/vol3/pp290-291

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According to Southwell and Nottingham Church History Project:

The area of the county in which North Leverton is situated has seen layers of occupation dating back to Roman times, owing to its closeness to the River Trent. The **Danum** – Lindum road (Doncaster to Lincoln) runs within two miles of North Leverton in its journey to Littleborough, the ford over the river and the colonia of Segelocum.

The area was vulnerable to Danish raids during the 9th and early 10th centuries.

Domesday Book does record a ‘half church’, but on that part of Leverton (or Legreton) settled on Count Alan and Roger de Busli.

[Busli has many spellings, e.g. Bully)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_de_Busli

Around 1200 there certainly was a stone building, as the late Norman doorway dating from that period attests. From 1203 into the 15th century the de Everinghams held the manor of North Leverton from the Archbishop of York for a knight’s fee and common suit at the court of the archbishop, the manor being worth £18 yearly.

Before the time of the Black Death villeinage in North Leverton had been commuted to money payment, presumably by an archbishop exercising the right through his jurisdiction in the Soke of Laneham.

At the 1428 subsidy of Henry VI, North Leverton is listed as a prebend of Southwell Minster and was taxed at 26s. 8d.

John Wyvell, vicar of North Leverton, in his will of 1523 requested to be buried in the middle of the chancel and left 40s. to buy a cross for the church, two cows for lights and another 40s. for a graduale and processionary for the church – one of the last priests of the old faith to gift the church in the traditional way...

By 1549 Sir Michael Stanhope and John Bellowe had the grant of many small properties of suppressed chantries, including in North Leverton a half acre of land, in the tenure of the church warden given to a light in the church. Thomas Marcer surrendered his prebend of North Leverton in August 1541. By 1547 William Rede was probably the prebendary at the time the college was restored. The college and its prebends were restored in the reign of Mary, in the old form, in 1557. The prebendary, George Lamb, did not respond to the summons to attend at the royal visitation in 1559 in connection with the observance of the Act of Uniformity and was deprived of his stall by 1562.

By a report of 1587 the priest had no surplice (often a sign of a puritan inclination in a priest, not surprising in an area noted for dissent), neither was there a ‘fair linen cloth’ on the altar, nor a Book of Common Prayer. The church and churchyard were found to be out of order.

Little else is known of the church and parish throughout the turbulent years leading to the Civil War, although the village lies in the area usually associated with the Pilgrim Fathers, one of whom preached in the neighbouring village of Sturton-le-Steeple. Reference is made, however, in 1670 to Thomas Sampson who was fined for attending a meeting of the Quakers. In 1676 the population of the village was recorded as 152, of whom 17 were Dissenters.

https://southwellchurches.nottingham.ac.uk/north-leverton/hhistory.php

Private User
11/28/2020 at 6:54 PM
Private User
11/28/2020 at 6:58 PM

Which might be in reference to this Geni profile, specifically: Nicholas Denman

So unfortunately, fairly irrelevant to this discussion.

11/28/2020 at 9:56 PM

I wasn't meaning to suggest that John Denman was actually born at Wath. I was only suggesting why the place had been put in the box. There's a lot of this kind of random box-filling - anywhere linked to the family at any time, or often the in-laws, goes in.

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